# Tucker Carlson, Nick Land and the Pneumagram - Original post: https://www.twitter.com/i/status/2120299119495246136 - Source account: [@CyphersNews](https://x.com/CyphersNews) - Source language: English - Duration: 6:24 - Published: 2026-11-11 - Canonical URL: https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram ## Transcript [0:00](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram) I don't know shit about Kabbalah, so Holding up an image of the pneumagram is world historic, honestly Um, one of Nick Land's favorite things that, uh, the CCRU, his academic collective, that they ended up, uh, coming through, [0:16](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=16) uh, they say it was a channeling or it, it came to them, uh, when they were staying at Aleister Crowley's house in England in 1998. [0:23](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=23) They came up with something called the pneumagram, and, uh, people listening to this won't be able to see it, but, uh, I want you to hold that up. [0:30](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=30) That- All right ... that is his system. That is, if you're familiar with the, uh, Kabbalah Tree of Life. Are you familiar with that? [0:36](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=36) The, the symbol of that, um- No. I probably should have printed that out, too. I, I, I wore a red rubber band from a newspaper on my wrist for most of my life- ... given to me by my father just as a w- because he worked at a newspaper. [0:50](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=50) Um, and I've been accused many times of being in the Kabbalah. [0:53](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=53) I don't know how to pronounce it. I'm an Episcopalian to research. Sure, sure. I don't know shit about Kabbalah, so no, I don't know what the Kabbalah Tree of Life is. [0:58](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=58) You do strike me as a Kabbalah guy. Fin Land, on this podcast, he says, "Well, what about people who say you're communicating with Satan?" [1:06](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=66) He'll say, "Christians who say that," he goes, "I am not unsympathetic towards that." [1:09](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=69) He goes, "They're r- they're more right than most because I am in contact with something from the outside." [1:15](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=75) I just can't overstate how disqualifying I find that. [1:18](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=78) Um- I mean, I feel sorry for anyone who plays around with this stuff. [1:22](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=82) It's like Tucker's out of the interview. He's like, "Okay, I'm-" No, no, no. No, but I'm just saying- "... in a job interview" ... like anyone who says, "You know, I, I really get a lot of inspiration from a guy who's controlled by Satan," you know, I, I'm gonna leave it to God to decide, [1:34](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=94) you know, what happens to that person, but, uh, that person has disqualified himself- Totally ... in my view, as someone I will listen to. [1:43](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=103) I don't wanna be led by that person. Like, we should run away from that person at high speed. [1:48](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=108) What did you think of the video? How do you feel like you were, your, your, your ideas and your positions were represented in it? [1:55](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=115) Well, I mean, my, my primary response is actually a kind of admiration because I think that Conrad Flynn is a master storyteller. [2:08](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=128) I thought, I thought it was extremely, like, entertaining. [2:12](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=132) I thought it was kind of impressively constructed. [2:15](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=135) It, the, it was kind of comprehensive. It was imaginative to an extraordinary degree, and it, like, told a completely, um, a gripping story, you know. Um, in terms of fidelity, it was a little shakier in my opinion. [2:35](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=155) I mean, you know, f- from some things that were kind of wild. [2:39](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=159) Other things, Conrad had built a story that I almost was envious about. Um, you know, like it was, I, I thought somehow m- more compelling, more cinematic actually than the version that as far as I'm concerned could be realistically attributed to me. [3:00](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=180) And I thought, I mean, T- Tucker's response of, of deep concern was also extremely, uh, extremely entertaining maybe I should say. [3:13](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=193) I don't wanna be too frivolous about it. [3:14](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=194) It was b- very well done, very well done. [3:17](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=197) And the moment where he is captured now a million times holding up an image of the pneumagram is world historic, honestly. [3:30](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=210) I mean, I feel now, like, that if I went to my grave tomorrow, my m- my role as a, as a kind of entertainer would, would have been completely vindicated. [3:44](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=224) Right. I mean, yeah, so i- in the course of their discussion, they, they talk about you. [3:50](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=230) They talk about the pneumagram, yeah, you famous- I don't, I don't believe that or... [3:54](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=234) I'm obviously skeptical of the fact that large chunks of Silicon Valley are engaged in occult rituals invol- involving the pneumagram. [4:06](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=246) But I mean, it's not something I guess I have any authority to, to talk about. [4:12](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=252) I mean, I can only say that they, they certainly aren't in contact with me if that is happening. [4:18](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=258) They're, they're doing it very, you know, if not privately, at least it's y- my involvement is, is actually zero in that. [4:27](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=267) It just feels so postmodern to have Tucker Carlson holding up the picture of the pneumagram. [4:34](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=274) So the difference between the pneumagram and the tree of life, because the tree of life, again, there's a, there's a 10. [4:40](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=280) It's a, so it's a, it's a full decimal cycle. [4:44](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=284) It's the whole passage through the tree of life is an affirmation of unity. [4:48](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=288) Um, obviously the pneumagram, there's no central dominating unitary end state in the pneumagram. [4:55](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=295) You, you have a irreducible multiplicity there. [4:58](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=298) Imagine someone writing this about your work. [5:01](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=301) This is so funny. "They have been arbitrarily assigned to the 22 paths by the Sefer Yetzirah. [5:06](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=306) There is not even any kind of harmony." Wow. [5:08](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=308) "One might as well shuffle all these elements together on a whiskey-soaked bar table" "entirely without systemic motivation or lucid intelligence, and then call it a Kabbalistic revelation." [5:22](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=322) The, what they're saying is that this is propaganda essentially to, to basically, like, deviate from the truth, and it's calling out how ridiculous the numerology behind it is. [5:38](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=338) The Tucker thing came out a year ago. I get a text this week from one of Tucker's producers, and she says to me, um, "Tucker would like to interview Nick Land." [5:48](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=348) I said, "Just so you know, um, it's not gonna be an easy interview 'cause Nick is in Sh- uh, Shanghai, and, uh, you, you... [5:56](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=356) Tucker's not exactly going to Orlando for this." [5:59](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=359) And she said, "Conrad, are you... I feel like you are either reading my mind or have tapped my phone." [6:04](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=364) She goes, "I just got off the phone about a trip to Shanghai that we are doing in November. [6:08](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=368) To not only does he wanna talk to you, but he was already gonna be probably a train ride for you anyway." [6:14](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=374) I mean, obviously, yeah, this is doing the, uh, seismic shock thing that I was promised. [6:21](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/3eDp0IqRqdNh/en/tucker-carlson-nick-land-and-the-pneumagram?t=381) Should I talk to Tucker? Like, would that work?