# Monsignor Karel Kasteel on Vatican II, Bugnini and Ottaviani

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- Source language: English
- Duration: 1:42
- Published: 2026-11-12
- Canonical URL: https://www.translate.mom/transcript/4OGtOsNZhSdb/en/monsignor-karel-kasteel-on-vatican-ii-bugnini-and-ottaviani

## Transcript

[0:01](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/4OGtOsNZhSdb/en/monsignor-karel-kasteel-on-vatican-ii-bugnini-and-ottaviani?t=1) Monsignor Karel Kasteel is one of the oldest living members of the Roman Curia, a Dutch monsignor who has served the Holy See for nearly 70 years and under eight successive popes.

[0:12](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/4OGtOsNZhSdb/en/monsignor-karel-kasteel-on-vatican-ii-bugnini-and-ottaviani?t=12) Arriving in Rome in 1956 under Pius XII, he assisted the secretary general of the Second Vatican Council, later held senior posts in the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples, and under Cor Ruum served as dean of the Apostolic Chamber,

[0:27](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/4OGtOsNZhSdb/en/monsignor-karel-kasteel-on-vatican-ii-bugnini-and-ottaviani?t=27) helping organize the 2005 conclave, spanning three generations of church governance.

[0:33](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/4OGtOsNZhSdb/en/monsignor-karel-kasteel-on-vatican-ii-bugnini-and-ottaviani?t=33) In this interview, he discusses the black week of the Second Vatican Council and the mobilization of the progressive bishops during the first session.

[0:41](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/4OGtOsNZhSdb/en/monsignor-karel-kasteel-on-vatican-ii-bugnini-and-ottaviani?t=41) Of course, it was a bit of a shock to prepare all these documents before the council started.

[0:47](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/4OGtOsNZhSdb/en/monsignor-karel-kasteel-on-vatican-ii-bugnini-and-ottaviani?t=47) Took several years. What happened to Archbishop Bugnini and whether he regarded his posting to Iran as a demotion.

[0:54](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/4OGtOsNZhSdb/en/monsignor-karel-kasteel-on-vatican-ii-bugnini-and-ottaviani?t=54) Because I was convinced personally that they were going a bit fast, and I remember very well that even Saint Paul VI himself was a bit surprised.

[1:04](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/4OGtOsNZhSdb/en/monsignor-karel-kasteel-on-vatican-ii-bugnini-and-ottaviani?t=64) How the Ottaviani intervention was received in Rome.

[1:07](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/4OGtOsNZhSdb/en/monsignor-karel-kasteel-on-vatican-ii-bugnini-and-ottaviani?t=67) Uh, you see, Cardinal Ottaviani was, of course, a man who knew how to defend the Roman tradition, which had to be defended.

[1:16](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/4OGtOsNZhSdb/en/monsignor-karel-kasteel-on-vatican-ii-bugnini-and-ottaviani?t=76) And explains which aspects of the Second Vatican Council still require further clarification.

[1:22](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/4OGtOsNZhSdb/en/monsignor-karel-kasteel-on-vatican-ii-bugnini-and-ottaviani?t=82) Many priests and many bishops have not done their job as the way they should in studying those documents and giving the results, the fruits, to the people of God.