# Generational Inconsistency and Trust: The Debate About Jonathan and Megan - Original post: https://www.twitter.com/i/status/2119416048394883493 - Source account: [@tutt0allaria](https://x.com/tutt0allaria) - Source language: Italian - Target language: English - Duration: 5:38 - Published: 2026-11-08 - Machine translated. Check the original before quoting. - Canonical URL: https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan - Original-language version: https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/it/incoerenza-genitori-e-fiducia-il-confronto-su-jonathan-e-megan.md ## Transcript [0:00](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan) Some episode a while ago, I don't know when. [0:02](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=2) Anyway, guys, if I have to sum it up, I'll try to do it in a, um, concise way, that's what it's called, after all. [0:08](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=8) A few episodes ago, I said: I see a lack of substance. [0:12](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=12) The lack of substance wasn't me saying, "Uh… [0:16](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=16) you're all pieces of shit," I mean, it wasn't a personal insult to you. [0:20](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=20) The lack of substance we were talking about is something we all experience in society today, not just among the younger generations, where it's always easier to say, "Kids these days…" [0:31](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=31) which isn't true. Some young people are actually less lacking in substance than others, but it applies to adults too. [0:37](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=37) And I gave the example of how there are parents today who aren't anymore, who no longer have the authority they once had. [0:44](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=44) Parents today try to be their children's friends, I mean, they want to be approved of by their kids, they try to be social-media profiles, friends, all that, I mean, the parental role has kind of been lost. [0:55](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=55) This whole discussion— that's why I said it was broader, we were talking about you, and we got to you too, to the fact that when things happen, in fact, we compared how we felt with how you felt, or how you felt, in this particular case, Megan. [1:11](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=71) Um, when that thing with Parsi happened, I can't remember which episode now, which we didn't know about, and we found out on the episode when he supposedly said some uncomfortable, um, sexist, chauvinistic things, I don't know. [1:25](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=85) Anyway, people were laughing and joking because the clip was of you laughing with Jonathan, so it wasn't anything... [1:32](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=92) But anyway, that point was made, So you obviously apologized to Megan, and you apologized to all the women too. [1:39](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=99) You did the right thing. You were very good, and you said: I forgive you, but actually, I was hurt by that, I didn't like it. [1:46](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=106) Right after that came the chain, where Jonathan, in my opinion—and I'm not saying that's how it happened— that's how I see it. You see it differently. [1:53](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=113) I think Jonathan, instead, didn't take responsibility for saving you, precisely because we'd just had that moment in the studio and he passed the buck to you, and you didn't do it either. [2:05](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=125) Well, wait, you didn't do it either, you didn't take responsibility, choosing to save Federica instead. [2:11](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=131) And so that's something that happened. Something that happened, something in the past. [2:15](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=135) Yes, yes, yes, in the past, but it wasn't ten years ago, I mean, it happened a few weeks ago, but it did happen. [2:22](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=142) From that event, we reopened the discussion when Jonathan… [2:26](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=146) I'll give you my analysis, then, obviously, you don't agree, we won't reopen this whole, whole thing. [2:31](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=151) When Jonathan, um, says he'd made a mistake, that he hadn't explained himself well, but that he still wanted to make Andreas look homophobic, that's another thing that happened. [2:41](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=161) Things that happen inside us resonate, they're shaped, obviously, by the way we see life, because, as I say, there isn't one truth, one reality, but there are many, as many as there are eyes to see them. [2:55](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=175) So someone like Andreas and someone like me can't then become close friends with a Jonathan because we've seen, in fact, when I say Jonathan He's sly, he's someone I wouldn't trust, and, well, I've heard other things about Jonathan, [3:13](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=193) mmm, both about me, but also by chance one day in confession, so I have a clear idea of Jonathan. [3:19](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=199) With that clear idea, I could never have become close friends with Jonathan. [3:24](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=204) I talk to him, and I spoke to him nicely, about India and other things, there was an exchange, but I keep to my place and mmm, I want, I wanted him to keep to his because there's a distance, because I understood who he was. [3:37](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=217) That's my point of view. And we were wondering why, after that thing happened, you know, which was a pretty serious thing where you said, yes, I forgive you, but I was still really hurt to the point that I didn't even save him as a friend in my contacts. [3:49](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=229) Then, in the end, there was this big rapprochement between you two um, which we saw yesterday, basically and we were wondering, I mean, I say—look, I think it's precisely this inconsistency that's there, and again, it's not just about age, [4:04](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=244) it's because of society today, someone called it a liquid society, though it wasn't me. [4:10](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=250) Inconsistency, what do you mean? I mean… [4:13](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=253) Personality. A lack of personality. No, consistency means saying things, thinking things, um, and taking a stand. [4:23](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=263) Instead, there's a kind of thing today, there's a kind of fluidity to things. [4:29](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=269) It's—things move too quickly, because also? [4:32](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=272) Because social media are wonderful, bless their hearts, we all love them, I'm not trying to be the old lady who says, “Oh my God, it's horrific, the devil,” no. [4:40](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=280) But… No, it was here, though. Maybe Carmen has it. [4:46](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=286) Social media has sped up this process. We don't have real contact with our emotions, I mean, I see it with my own children too, but unfortunately, with adults too. [4:57](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=297) I don't know, you go to the bank, go to the post office, you go… [5:00](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=300) You see adults, people older than me, with their phones in their hands, scrolling, they haven't even finished watching a video, and they're moving on. [5:07](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=307) That thing, which seems like something fun, actually has to do with our emotions. [5:11](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=311) Kids today don't experience their emotions, they don't know what emotions are. [5:16](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=316) They move on. If they feel pain, they don't process it, they move on because there's something else. [5:23](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=323) You know? And this is an inconsistency, but it's not my analysis, I mean, I wish it were mine, but I assure you, it's not mine. [5:29](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/FO7CZHCtaIZw/en/generational-inconsistency-and-trust-the-debate-about-jonathan-and-megan?t=329) It's a general analysis of our generation, but it doesn't necessarily have to be framed around what we've experienced over these past few days.