# Ukraine Debate: NATO Membership, Arms Aid and Peace Talks

- Original post: https://www.twitter.com/i/status/2120999706210009303
- Source account: [@lena4berger](https://x.com/lena4berger)
- Source language: German
- Target language: English
- Duration: 1:28
- Published: 2026-11-13
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- Original-language version: https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/de/ukraine-debatte-nato-beitritt-waffenhilfe-und-friedensverhandlungen.md

## Transcript

[0:00](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks) Well, I'm convinced, the decisive sticking point is excluding Ukraine's NATO membership.

[0:05](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=5) So, if—if Ukraine continues to seek to join NATO, I don't believe there will be peace.

[0:10](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=10) The U.S. must take a stance and clearly rule it out too.

[0:13](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=13) I believe then everything else is possible too.

[0:15](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=15) A clear violation of the Helsinki Final Act, which, by the way, Russia also co-signed, is a clear violation of the right of states to choose alliances for themselves.

[0:25](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=25) Of course, you can take the— the position that we, as Germany, as a country, won't pay for weapons for Ukraine.

[0:32](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=32) That's a legitimate position. But to accuse the Ukrainians of simply taking the money and basically take it over like some kind of, um, greedy, uh, I don't know, people grabbing it for themselves.

[0:46](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=46) I'd invite them to travel to Ukraine, and take a look at the conditions there in the country, that the population lives under.

[0:53](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=53) It's a total disaster. And today's— The Ukrainian population isn't the one, that gets the money, and we don't blame them.

[0:59](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=59) Yes, but this poster— We don't blame Ukrainians. That's absurd.

[1:03](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=63) It depicts the Ukrainian president in a way, that I can only describe as cynical.

[1:08](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=68) Peace negotiations could have taken place much earlier, and that was rejected.

[1:12](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=72) I find that cynical toward the Ukrainians.

[1:14](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=74) Putin rejected that. Who—The Ukrainians didn't reject talks.

[1:17](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=77) Ukraine rejected it too. Look at the article of the Financial Times.

[1:21](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=81) It says Mr. Zelenskyy also rejected it, the peace deal that could have been reached in 2023.

[1:25](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/OzePop8oYZbV/en/ukraine-debate-nato-membership-arms-aid-and-peace-talks?t=85) Capitulation, yes, he refused. That's right.