# Может ли Россия вступить в НАТО? Обсуждение Украины и сдерживания

- Original post: https://www.twitter.com/i/status/2120806827810074905
- Source account: [@OlgaBazova](https://x.com/OlgaBazova)
- Source language: English
- Target language: Russian
- Duration: 1:16
- Published: 2026-11-12
- Machine translated. Check the original before quoting.
- Canonical URL: https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F
- Original-language version: https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/en/could-russia-join-nato-ukraine-and-deterrence-discussion.md

## Transcript

[0:00](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F) Со временем я… я всё больше поддерживаю Украину, если честно.

[0:09](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F?t=9) Но не думаю, что Россия в самом деле нападёт на Калининград.

[0:13](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F?t=13) Не думаю, что это вообще произойдёт, потому что они… они так истощены этой войной.

[0:18](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F?t=18) Думаю, нам и правда удалось их сдержать.

[0:22](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F?t=22) Так что не думаю, что они решатся. Если им не взять Украину, не думаю, что они пойдут ещё дальше.

[0:27](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F?t=27) Прошло четыре года, четыре с половиной года, а они ничего не добились.

[0:30](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F?t=30) Э-э, так что я… я думаю, мы их сдерживаем.

[0:36](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F?t=36) Когда они разбогатеют, а мы ослабеем, то есть когда это произойдёт?

[0:40](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F?t=40) Думаю, на самом деле Россию можно сдержать, если принять её в НАТО.

[0:45](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F?t=45) Как сдержать Россию? Принять её в свои ряды.

[0:49](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F?t=49) Сделать её… сделать её партнёром. И они будут искать это.

[0:53](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F?t=53) Возможно, они будут стремиться соперничать с Китаем.

[0:58](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F?t=58) Там будет некоторое соперничество. Будет некоторое напряжение.

[1:00](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F?t=60) У них огромная граница. Так что кто знает? То есть, может, мы привлечём Россию и интегрируем её.

[1:06](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F?t=66) Таков был план. В этом вся идея «Северного потока» и в идее, что однажды мы станем союзниками России. Может, так и надо.

[1:14](https://www.translate.mom/transcript/rrwNR2mU5gf0/ru/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F?t=74) Ричмонд, Вирджиния. +8%, $20.