Transcript · Persian → English
Discussion on National Security and Governance
Who did the Constitution delegate these duties to?
The Supreme National Security Council, the Supreme National Security Council.
Look at the entire composition of the councils in the Constitution.
The military is there, the politicians are there, domestic policy is there, foreign policy is there, the economists are there,
The person who controls the country's money and financial resources is there,
The security officials are also there. The council is envisioned in the Constitution.
It has specified such a composition, from the highest ranks of each.
It says they should make decisions in times of peace or war, or even after peace...
and war. Again, the entire Constitution...
is with the Leadership. Meaning all of this has been anticipated, the decision-
making is not like you and I saying, 'Well, maybe this will happen, maybe that will happen.'
If it happens this way,
There are no 'ifs'. They must calculate precisely in those Supreme Council meetings. Well, everyone from
their own perspective would speak precisely. One would say, 'What is my resilience in terms of providing for people's livelihoods?'
Another would say, 'What is my military resilience?'
As long as I can, I will fight, and when I can't, I will make a fuss. I used to say, let's assume
what our foreign policy is like, whether we are isolated now or not, whether we are making final decisions,
He would say everything, where our strength is, where our weakness is. Everyone spoke in that meeting, in that
particular final meeting, which started at 9:00 p.m. until 3:00 a.m.
The one where, if you remember, the agreement with the Americans was approved.
In that last meeting, the very thing that is under question and after all, there is a lot of talk about it, then...
Those 13 people, 12 people voted. Was it the same number for the ceasefire?
The ceasefire was under
much harder security conditions. At that time, it wasn't possible to hold a Supreme Council meeting because
if we held a Supreme Council meeting and at that moment, for example, it got bombed, and the country is really at war...
Well, then on what basis was it approved for us to accept the ceasefire?
At that time, it was approved in smaller meetings, meaning in groups of four, or groups of three,
Then, in conclusion, were they all in agreement?
Well, naturally, at that time too, there were supporting and opposing views.
Of course, the conditions back then really couldn't be compared to the conditions after. You were under a war...
...where even for two people to meet was difficult.
But the meetings finally took place, and was everyone in agreement?
As I said, there were ultimately supporting and opposing views there too.
But ultimately, on the condition that if America...
...accepts that the ten-point proposal we gave is the basis for negotiation, the ceasefire can be accepted.
Was everyone in agreement on this too?
Well, shall we say the military was in agreement?
The military was key.
Let me put it this way.
Since the war is in their hands, if they aren't convinced, it won't work.
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Original transcript (Persian)
قانون اصاسی هموید این وظیفه ها را به که باگذار کردن؟ شعره عالی امتی ملی، شعره عالی امنیت ملی تمام ترکیب شعره ها را تو قانون اصاسی ببین؟ نظامی ها هستن، سیاسی ها هستن، سیاست داخلی هست، سیاست خارجی هست، اقتصادی ها هستن، اون کسی که پول و منابع مالی کشور دستشه هست،
امنیتی ها هم هستن شعره قانون اصاسی دیده دیده یه همچین ترکیب را مشخص کرده از بالتن رده های هر کدوم گفته اینا تصمیم بگیرن وقت سلو یا وقت جنگ یا وقتیش بعد تازه سلو و جنگ تمام قانون اصاسی باز با رهبری هست یعنی این همه پیشبینی شده تصمیم
گیری این تو نیست که هم من شما بگیریم آقا شاید این طوری بشه، شاید اون طوری بشه، اگر این طوری بشه، اگر نداره باید دقیق محاسب بکنن تو اون جلسات شعره عالی خب هر کسی از ظاوی خودش دقیق میگفت اون میگفت آقا تاباوری من مثلا به لحاظ تمیل معیشت مردم چقدره، اون میگفت تاباوریت نظامی من چقدره،
تا که میتونم به جنگم، تا که نمیتونم بلام بکنم من میگفتم فرض کنیم که سیاسر خارجیمون چطوریه، الان منظوی هستیم نیستیم، الان داریم قطعای میکنیم، میگفت همه چیزها رو، قوت همون کجا، زرف همون کجا، تو جلسه همه صحبت کردن تو اون جلسه نهای خاصی که چیز هست، از نه شب شروع شد تا سه بعد شب همونی که چیز رو یاد داشته افرادون با امریکانو تصریب
کرد آخرین جلسه یک چیز همونی که زیر سؤال هست و بالاخره رازیبش حرف زیاده هست بعد اون سیزدن افراد، دوازند افراد رأی دادن نسبت به آتشباز هم همین عدد بوده؟ آتشباز در شرایط امیتی بسیار سخت تری صورت گرفته اون موقع امکان تشکیل جلسه شعرعالی نبود چون اگر ما شعرعالی تشکیل می دادیم و در لحظه مثلا باماروم می شد، و واقعا کشور جنب است
خب پس تو چرا بندی اون تصریب شد که ما آتشباز رو بپذیغیم؟ اون موقع در جلسات کوچکتر تصریب شد یعنی چارتا، چارتا، ستا، ستا، بعد جنبندی اونا همه موافق بودن؟ خب اون موقع هم طبیعتا نظرات موافق و مخالف بود البته واقعا شرایط اون موقع را اصلا نمی شد با شرایط بعدش مقایسته کرد شما در زیر جنگی
که حتی دو نفر با هم دیدا کردن سخت بود ولی بلاخره دیداران انجام شد و همه موافق بودن؟ میگم همین بلاخره نظرات موافق و مخالف اونجا هم بود ولی نهایتا با این شرط که اگر امریکا بپذیره که اون دهبندی که ما داده بودیم مبنای مزاکره باشه، آترش بس رو میتونی بپذیره
این هم همه موافق بودن؟ خب بگیم نظامی ها موافق بودن؟ اصل کار نظامی ها اینجوری بگم دیگه چون جنگ دسته اونها است اگر اونها غالب نشدن که نمیشه