Transcript · Hindi → English
Future Prospects of Pakistan
Are you hopeful about Pakistan's future, are you disappointed, or where do you see
Pakistan in the next five to ten years?
Pakistan doesn't have any future.
That's a very big statement, sir. What do you mean by that?
I have given it quite a bit of thought.
Are you saying that Pakistan has no future?
No future.
Why not?
Because in Pakistan's federation, there is an insurgency in three major areas
going on.
Kashmir.
Kashmir, Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the friction,
the polarization, which is now
somewhat subdued, but it too may erupt anytime, in
the urban scene and rural scene. Extra- political institutions controlling your
politics,
if they don't allow your political system to function and don't facilitate its evolution,
then what future will Pakistan have?
And then economic resources. We're not tapping into Pakistan's
resources properly.
What do you do? You
either take out loans,
then there's debt servicing. Then your foreign policy objectives
are far too nebulous. And you don't seem to be
serious about sorting out problems with your neighbors.
And when your frontiers remain tense, your defense
expenditure will increase, and when defense expenditure increases,
human resource development will not be possible. And human resource
development
is not happening, you don't have a single world-class
university. You don't have an international-standard library
anywhere
in the whole country. You don't have publishing houses. What you have
is
extremely high unemployment. You know, you still have load shedding.
The growth of children here isn't happening because of
malnutrition.
All this data is horrifying.
Regarding social indicators, it was strange that I went to Nepal, and Nepal
When he saw that, he took us sightseeing. And alongside me
a friend was seated.
Seeing Nepal, I feel very proud of my own country.
When you look at social indicators, Nepal is way ahead of you.
Bhutan is way ahead.
It is better in terms of human education. The chances of university entrance—
And all the children who are— and whenever you
stop at a traffic signal, all the children and women who come to beg—
have you done anything? At least Imran Khan built shelters.
Back then, I used to say, for the bread he needs to eat, he should go to a shelter and eat it.
By himself.
All right? So now they too have— okay, healthcare—but the basic...
There are three basic indicators. How much are you spending on education?
How much on healthcare? And is there a social security system or not?
You
Education has been utterly ruined. School education is virtually non-existent.
It has been privatized. Now, if you want to send your child to any good school,
I mean,
I would be really nonplussed. I’d be so confused about what to do.
If you fall ill, there are private hospitals,
and you get an exorbitant bill. You know, social
security and other physical security, you have to hire private guards.
You know, then where is the future?
Now, you know, with all this around you, tell me, what future is there?
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Original transcript (Hindi)
आप Pakistan के future के बारे में hopeful हैं, मायूस हैं या where do you see Pakistan in next 5-10 years? Pakistan doesn't have any future. Very big statement sir. What do you mean by that? I have given it quite a bit of thought.
Are you saying that Pakistan has no future? No future. क्यों नहीं? क्योंकि Pakistan के जो federation है, उसमें उसके तीन बड़े areas में insurgency चल रही है।
कश्मीर। कश्मीर, Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa एक friction जो polarization है जो कि अभी थोड़ी सी subdued है, लेकिन वह भी it may erupt anytime, वह urban scene and rural scene में। Extra political जो institutions controlling your
politics, वह अगर आपके political system को नहीं चलने देंगे, उसके evolution को facilitate नहीं करेंगे तो फिर Pakistan का future क्या होगा? And then economic resources. We're not tapping into Pakistan's resources properly.
आप क्या करते हैं? आप या तो कर्जा लेते हैं, फिर debt servicing होती है। फिर आपके foreign policy objectives जो हैं, वह बहुत ही ज्यादा nebulous हैं। And you don't seem to be serious in sorting out problems with your neighbors.
और जब आपके frontiers गरम रहेंगे तो आपके defence के ऊपर जो खर्चा है वह बढ़ेगा और जब defence के ऊपर खर्चा बढ़ेगा, human resource development जो है, वह नहीं हो सकेगी। और human resource development क्योंकि नहीं हो रही, आपके पास दुनिया की कोई भी एक world class
university नहीं है। आपके पास कोई international standard की library नहीं है पूरे में। आपके यहां publishing houses नहीं है। आपके यहां जो है वह unemployment इतनी ज्यादा है। You know, आपके यहां load shedding अभी भी होती है।
आपके यहां जो growth है बच्चों की, वह नहीं हो पा रही because of malnutrition. This all data is horrifying. तो social indicators के-- it was strange कि I went to Nepal और Nepal का वह देखकर तो हमें वह ले गए सैर करवाने के लिए। तो साथ ही मेरे
एक amigo साथ बैठे थे। Seeing Nepal I feel very proud of my own country. You look at social indicators and Nepal is way ahead of you. Bhutan is way ahead. Human education के मामले से better है। University entrance के chances--
और जितने बच्चे जो हैं वह-- और फिर जब भी आप रुकते हैं traffic signal के ऊपर जितने बच्चे आते हैं, जितनी औरतें आती हैं भीख मांगने, have you done anything? कम से कम Imran Khan ने तो पनाहगाहें बना दी थी। तब मैं कहता था कि वह जो रोटी खानी है, वह पनाहगाह जाकर खा ले। खुद से।
ठीक है ना? तो अब तो वह भी इन्होंने-- अच्छा healthcare-- लेकिन ना बुनियादी indicators तीन होती हैं। Education के ऊपर आप कितना spend कर रहे हैं? Healthcare के ऊपर कितना? और social security system है या नहीं? आप education जो है वह सत्यानाश हो गया। School education is virtually non-existent.
It has been privatized. अब किसी भी अच्छे school में आपको बच्चा पढ़ाना हो तो मैं तो I will be really nonplussed. मैं बहुत ही confuse हो जाऊंगा कि क्या करूं मैं। अगर आप बीमार हो जाएं तो private hospitals हैं और उसमें exorbitant bill आता है। You know, social
security और दूसरी physical security आप को private guards रखने पड़ते हैं। You know, तो फिर future कहां? अभी you know, with all this around you, आप बताइए future क्या है?
