Discussion on Israeli Conflict and Negotiations

You watch TV once, once

Right.

And you see the demonstrations.

Right.

And you don't see your parents there.

I don't see my parents there.

And you're not surprised.

I'm not surprised. It's clear to me that my family isn't there.

They're not living in the here and now.

What do you mean, they're not in the here and now?

The dispute here was over matters of life and death.

Do you want to save lives now,

or do you save lives afterward too? It was clear to me

that if we made a deal now,

I would get out of here, but in two or three days, a month, two months, a year,

two years, ten years, someone else would be sitting here in my place.

Was it clear to you that a deal must not be made at any cost?

Absolutely.

Even if the price is you?

Yes.

Israel must emerge from this war victorious.

You understood that even then?

Yes, I’m sitting there, and they’re laughing, saying, as Abu

Ubaida says,

“All of it is acceptable,

everyone is for everyone.”

They talk about white prison walls.

That’s a victory for Hamas. I said no, I’ll stay here for a day or two

For a year, two years, ten years, until you finally understand I'm not worth it

to you. And that day is the victory. That day Hamas will understand

that the card it has, in the end, we're a card.

Understand, you don't have a joker,

you have a prince. You want a prince for a prince? Let's do a prince for a prince.

What happened in the end, Avi Natan gave a prince for a prince.

What happened in the end—listen, the story isn't over yet.

Hamas isn't over yet either.

Hamas, Hamas isn't over.