Discussion on the Sanctity of Karbala

A question, tough guy. Karbala became sacred

because Hussein is there, right? So before Hussein died and was buried

there, was it sacred or not?

Of course not. Imam Hussein is the son of the Messenger's daughter.

The Prophet Muhammad's daughter, Ali's wife. Hussein's mother isn't worth a cigarette butt.

Fine. I asked you, was it sacred before Hussein was

there?

You told me no, right?

Yes.

If sacredness is measured by who is buried in the land, then the lands where

they were buried, right?

Yes, it is pure land and land that—

Fine, fine, fine, fine. So every land where a

companion

or any person was buried.

Not every companion. No, no, no, not every companion.

What is our master Hussein, a calf?

Not every companion. Imam Hussein, peace be upon him, differs from anyone else.

What more can I add? So the land where Hasan was buried.

Yes, sacred, right?

Fine, right? So the land where our mother Aisha, may God be pleased

with her, was buried is sacred. The land where our master Umar was buried—let me, let me.

No, no, no, that's your wife's business.

It has nothing to do with it.

No, no, it has nothing to do with it. No, no, it has nothing to do with it. It has nothing to do with it. It does have to do with it.

Speak seriously.

No, I'm seriously talking to you. We're seriously talking to you.

What?

Measure.

No, no, I don't measure. You don't measure based on your own understanding. We measure by evidence and proof.

By logical things.

Imam Hussein. Imam Ali. Prophet Muhammad.

They have a status with their Lord.

Okay, who was buried with our master Muhammad? Who was buried in the same, the same

roughly, room where he is buried?

I don't know.

Our master Umar and our master Abu Bakr, right?

I don't know, by God, I don't know.

Yes, yes, so supposedly these two, whom the

Shiite sect insults, okay, and they are buried with the Messenger, peace and

blessings be upon him. Is the place where our master Muhammad

peace and blessings be upon him,

sacred, or is it not sacred because of our master Abu Bakr and Umar? Even when you go

to pay your respects, to pay your respects to our master Abu Bakr. As a Shiite,

do you consider the place where our master Muhammad is buried now blessed, or

let's call it sacred or not sacred because...

Not sacred.

So Abu Bakr and Umar are buried in a holy place.

No, I'm talking about the Prophet.

The Prophet is buried. Well, they're both buried with him.

Because he's a prophet, because he's a prophet.

They're buried with him. I'm telling you, they're buried with him.

So if the place is holy because Abu Bakr, may God be pleased with him,

and Umar, may God be pleased with him, are buried in

a holy place, does that mean the status of the

holy place is equal to that of Hussein's, right?

No, no, it's not the same status.

How is it not the same? Man, they're buried with the Messenger. They're buried with the one from whom Hussein derived his status.

Hussein derived his status. He derived this status from his grandfather, didn't he?

Didn't he derive status from Muhammad, his grandfather?

From Muhammad, his grandfather.

Yes, so his grandfather is greater and holier.

I have no issue with the Prophet.

Let me finish what I'm saying. Muhammad is holier than Hussein.

Imagine that Abu Bakr and Umar

are buried in a holier place than the one where Hussein is buried.

I'm not talking to you about religion. I'm talking about what your words imply about sanctity.

You say Karbala is sacred because Hussein is in it, right?

How can a person become sacred? Only someone who knows nothing would say that.

This person is sacred, you and I can discuss that later.

My question is, Karbala only became sacred because

Hussein is in it.

Right?

Yes, yes, right.

Yes, our master Muhammad is greater than Hussein.

So there is a place more sacred than Karbala, supposedly, right?

No, only the Prophet Muhammad, no one else.

They are buried with him. Imagine, buried with him.

That doesn't concern me.

It doesn't

concern you? What doesn't concern you? I'm talking to you. I'm talking to you, Al-Ashadd.

God, glory be to You, there is no god but You. The supporter of our master

Abu Bakr and our master Omar, and whom were they buried with? With the one from whom we derive

sanctity, our master Hussein.

Meaning, our master Abu Bakr and our master Omar are buried in a

more sacred place, Medina. Right next to

the Prophet, right next to the Prophet. The sanctity you do not grant to our master

Hussein, you have not granted to our master Abu Bakr and our master

Omar Al-Farouq. If you measure sanctity by the place where one is buried

There is a person. Karbala is sacred because our master Hussein was buried there.

Go ahead.

Aren't there things here that, if I mention them, they'll get a little upset, so you won't

remember them.

I'm older, and if someone wants to interrupt, let him say what he wants to mention. We're speaking academically. Go ahead, sir.

But speak academically, don't just talk. Go ahead.

It wasn't me who said it. Uthman al-Khamees said there is

a clip available. I heard it. There are question marks about Umar ibn

al-Khattab, this, that, and the other.

Show me the proof.

How is this sacred?

Show me the proof. Show me what Uthman al-Khamees said.

Uthman al-Khamees is not a scholar. Stop. He is not a scholar, nor is he a mufti.

He is merely a diligent scholar of the Sunni school, and may God bless his efforts.

He has an excuse.

But he's just pointing it out.

And he is not a marja. Let me finish. Uthman al-Khamees deserves our utmost respect.

But what I'm saying is that he is not a marja. What I'm telling you now is—

Karbala derived its sanctity from Hussein. So you're talking

about the burial place of people being what gives a place its sanctity.

Right or not?

I have no problem with the sanctity of Prophet Muhammad and his place being honored, he doesn't have

An issue.

Didn’t I tell you Sayyidina Abu Bakr and Sayyidina Uthman were buried beside the Messenger and have

a place holier than Husayn. Do you agree?

No, no, no. Umar ibn al-Khattab and Uthman are not holier than Husayn. You’re wrong.

No one is holier than Husayn. How? How are they buried next to the Messenger? Wait, wait.

So how? Let’s

speak respectfully. How can you make things up about Othman al-Khamis?

If I tell you to play the clip now, I swear you won’t be able to play it.

I swear by Almighty God.

No, no, no. Even if you swear. If you swear by Abbas, I’ll believe you.

When we go in, we greet the Messenger in Medina the Illuminated.

Greet Sayyidina Abu Bakr and Umar, because they’re buried right next to him.

Imagine, in Sayyida Aisha’s house. My question to you is whether

sacredness

is acquired for a reason, or let’s say a place gives sacredness to a place depending on who

is buried there.

No, no, no. Umar ibn al-Khattab and Uthman are not holier than Husayn. You’re wrong.

No one is holier than Husayn. How? How are they buried next to the Messenger?

Prophet Muhammad says, “God loves whoever loves Hasan.”

So whoever does not love Husayn does not love God.

Look, you're going to drag me into your narratives. I'm not getting into your narratives.

That's in your school of thought, in your beliefs.

The recitations.

Focus on the recitations you have.

It is sacred, from the Prophet and God Almighty.

You've started needling God. So a hadith isn't supposed to be the Quran, right, according to you?

Any narration that does not match the Quran is embellishment. Meaning, do not accept it.

And it is invalid. Focus, everyone, any narration that does not match

the Quran according to the Shiites is embellishment. Do not accept it.

Give me proof that the Imam narrated it based on evidence.

It is in the Quran that it is sacred from God. Give it to me.

Abu Milad.

Don't argue with me, sorry.

No. I swear to you, everyone, the discussion is over.

Tulip, the arena is long.

One second, please, Abu Milad. I've known you for three

years. This is the greatest moment I've seen you crushed

and stepped on, right on your head.

Before I leave, I'll take my leave, everyone. Thanks, brother, for the chat.

Thanks, brother, for the chat. Go get slapped by

Al-Husseini, Abu Milad. Thanks.

More than that, yourself.

What's with all this grinding? Grind the loot and increase it, Tiger.

Abu Milad, just one question before I leave the stream. Abu Milad, one second.

Abu Milad, I have a question for you about the Hidden Imam.

The Hidden Imam, I always hear you say, “May God hasten his reappearance,” right?

Yes.

Yes, and we always see Iraqis. I'm talking about the Rafidah.

Shiites go to seek blessings and ask the imams who are in

their graves to have God fulfill their needs, right?

Right, by God's standing and then that of the Prophet's family.

Regardless of asking for, I mean, intercession, since you say you go to the imam.

My question is, do you ask the Hidden Imam too, or only—

does he have to be dead for the request feature to work?

Because God loves that person.

Why doesn't Imam Mahdi pray to God for himself to bring him out, instead of you

barking 24 hours a day, “May God hasten his reappearance”?

So when can the imam fulfill your need unless you ask

this imam and say, “May God hasten his reappearance”? Why doesn't he pray

for himself? Can you tell us?

This girl is disrespectful, and she only speaks...

When you say, "By Imam Mahdi's status," you mean you beseech God.

By the status of this imam, who has standing with God, that means that…

If Mahdi prayed to God, God would answer him, right? Then why doesn't Imam Mahdi

pray to God so that my Lord brings him forth as the Imam of the Age and saves

the world, while servants who have no standing

with God do? Leave my religion out of it, Abu Milad, and stop talking

so I can teach you again. Don't say, "Your religion is shit."

I'll make you look like shit right in front of me. Show some respect.

I didn't insult your religion. Don't insult mine. I'll teach you about the women

of the Sunnis. I'll teach you to respect Ahl al-Sunnah wal-Jama'ah and make a prayer

for yourself that will be answered. You want to pray for your imam, who's infallible.

You want to pray for your imam, who has universal guardianship, you idiot.

You say, "May God hasten his reappearance. Mahdi, help."

You call my religion shit. I'll stomp all over you,

and all those imams you have, every last one of them. You didn't know how to respond because you can't respond.

Your greatest imam and your biggest turban can't respond.

So, you goat, don't come playing dumb with me and saying, "Your religion is shit."

I wish I could talk to the Imam, call him, hello hello.

May God hasten your relief, Mahdi. Pray for yourself, O Imam.

He forgets himself, instead of barking on streams and barking everywhere.

May God hasten your relief, Mahdi. It got through.

If you talk shit, I'll stomp on you. You insult my religion, I'll stomp on you. You insult—

My sheikhs, I'll stomp on you. You insult the Companions, I'll stomp on you. You insult Mother Aisha, I'll stomp on you.

I'll stomp on your religion. We spoke to you politely.

Learn some manners, you Rafidah, you Gypsies, you idiots. Thank you, brothers, and I apologize.

The way of the Messenger of God, Abu Bakr, and Umar.

The way of the Messenger of God, Abu Bakr, and Umar.

This is our creed, and we cannot do without it.

This is our creed, and we cannot do without it.

We were raised to be righteous and upright.