Transcript · Portuguese → English
Portuguese → English transcript
I want to make clear that I committed illegal acts. I want to pay for those illegal acts, but I want
to pay for the illegal acts that I committed.
I'll make a comparison with the theater. I'm an actor, I have prominence, a leading role in
this play, but I was not and am not either the director or the protagonist of this
story. President Lula — he was known as a boss, he was called 'boss', 'big boss',
nine, or that hand movement.
Almost at the exit of Teatro Abrax, after three meetings with Lula, I was surprised that at that
moment, to me, to President Lula, and to Vacari, it became clear what level of information
he knew everything, and saying those kinds of things in front of Vacari and in front of me,
he was running everything.
The last meeting, in 2013 — actually in 2014, when it was my turn to speak, he called me
in São Paulo and he asked me if I had an account in Switzerland receiving payments from the company
SBM, saying that former President Dilma had received information that a former director
of Teatro Abrax had received money in a Swiss account from SBM, I said no, no
I don't have any money from SBM, I've never received money from SBM, then he turned to me and said,
look, and about Sondas, is there anything?
I said, was there anything?
He said, no, there wasn't either.
He said, look, pay attention to what I'm going to tell you, if there's anything,
it must not exist, understand?
There can't be anything in your name, understand?
I asked, what was I going to do?
There was nothing else I could do.
Then he went and said he would talk to Dilma, that she was worried about this
matter and wanted to reassure.
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Original transcript (Portuguese)
Eu queria deixar claro, que eu cometi ilegalidades, quero pagar pelas ilegalidades, mas eu quero pagar pelas ilegalidades que eu cometi. Vou fazer uma comparação com o teatro, eu sou um ator, tenho um destaque, um papel de destaque nessa peça, mas eu não fui e não sou nem o diretor nem o protagonista dessa história, o presidente Lula, ele era conhecido como chefe, era chamado como chefe, grande
chefe, nine, ou esse movimento com a mão. Quase a saída da Teatro Abrax, três encontros com o Lula, eu fiquei surpreendido que naquela hora eu, o presidente Lula, e o Vacari, ficou claro pra mim que nível de informação, ele conhecia tudo, e falando esse tipo de coisa na frente do Vacari, e na minha frente, ele tá comandando tudo.
O último encontro, em 2013, em 2014 já, com a palavra de atendimento, ele me chama em São Paulo e ele me pergunta se eu tinha uma conta na Suíça com recebimentos da empresa do SBM, dizendo que o ex-presidente Dilma tinha recebido a informação que um ex-diretor da Teatro Abrax teria recebido dinheiro numa conta da Suíça, da SBM, eu falei não, não tenho dinheiro da SBM, nunca recebi dinheiro da SBM, aí ele vira pra mim e fala assim,
olha, e das sondas, tem alguma coisa? Eu falei, e tinha? Ele falou, não, também não tem. Ele falou, olha, presta atenção no que eu vou te dizer, se tiver alguma coisa, não pode ter, entendeu?
Não pode ter nada no teu nome, entendeu? Eu pedi, o que eu ia fazer? Não tinha mais o que fazer. Aí ele foi e falou que ia conversar com a Dilma, que ela tava preocupada com esse assunto e queria tranquilizar.
