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CDC Swine Flu Vaccine Controversy
Dr. David Sensor, kepala CDC saat itu,
Pusat Pengendalian Penyakit di Atlanta,
kini bekerja di industri swasta.
Dialah yang merancang program flu babi dan mendorongnya.
Anda mulai memberikan suntikan flu kepada masyarakat Amerika
pada Oktober '76.
Satu Oktober.
Pada saat itu, berapa banyak kasus flu babi di seluruh dunia yang telah dilaporkan?
Ada beberapa yang dilaporkan, tetapi tidak ada yang dikonfirmasi.
Ada kasus-kasus di Australia yang dilaporkan oleh pers,
oleh media berita.
Ada kasus di… Tidak ada yang dikonfirmasi.
Apakah Anda pernah menemukan wabah flu babi lainnya?
Di mana pun di dunia?
Tidak.
Kini, hampir semua orang akan menerima suntikan di fasilitas kesehatan masyarakat
di mana dokter mungkin tidak ada.
Oleh karena itu, menjadi tugas CDC untuk membuat semacam formulir persetujuan resmi,
memberikan semua informasi yang dibutuhkan masyarakat tentang suntikan flu babi.
Formulir ini menyatakan bahwa vaksin flu babi telah diuji.
Yang tidak dikatakannya adalah setelah pengujian tersebut selesai,
para ilmuwan mengembangkan vaksin lain,
dan itulah yang diberikan kepada sebagian besar dari 46 juta orang yang disuntik.
Vaksin itu disebut X53A.
Apakah X53A pernah diuji lapangan?
Saya… Saya tidak bisa mengatakannya. Saya harus…
Tidak diuji?
Saya tidak tahu.
Saya kira Anda yang bertanggung jawab atas program ini.
Saya harus memeriksa catatannya.
Saya sudah lama tidak melihat hal ini.
Formulir informasi, formulir persetujuan,
juga seharusnya memperingatkan warga tentang risiko komplikasi serius setelah suntikan.
Namun, apakah formulir itu memperingatkan?
Tidak, saya tidak pernah mendengar reaksi lain selain lengan yang pegal,
demam, hal-hal seperti itu.
Suami Judy Roberts, Gene, juga menerima suntikan itu.
Ya, saya melihat dokumen itu. Saya menandatanganinya.
Tidak ada yang menyatakan saya akan terkena serangan jantung atau menderita Guillain-Barre,
yang belum pernah saya dengar sebelumnya.
Bagaimana jika orang-orang dari pemerintah, dari Pusat Pengendalian Penyakit, bagaimana jika mereka memang mengetahuinya?
Bagaimana perasaan Anda?
Mereka seharusnya memberi tahu kami.
Apakah ada orang yang pernah mendatangi Anda dan berkata,
tahukah kalian? Ada kemungkinan kerusakan saraf jika kalian melakukan program imunisasi massal.
Tidak.
Tidak ada yang pernah melakukannya? Tidak.
Apakah Anda kenal Michael Hatwick? Ya.
Dr. Michael Hatwick memimpin tim pengawasan untuk program flu babi di CDC.
Tugasnya adalah mencari tahu komplikasi apa saja yang mungkin timbul akibat menerima suntikan itu dan melaporkan temuannya kepada pihak yang berwenang.
Apakah Anda sudah tahu sebelumnya,
Dr. Hatwick,
bahwa ada laporan kasus gangguan saraf, penyakit saraf, yang tampaknya terkait dengan suntikan vaksin influenza?
Tentu saja.
Anda tahu? Ya. Bagaimana Anda mengetahuinya?
Dengan meninjau literatur.
Jadi Anda memberi tahu atasan Anda, orang-orang yang bertanggung jawab atas program imunisasi flu babi,
tentang kemungkinan adanya gangguan saraf?
Tentu saja.
Apa yang akan Anda katakan jika saya memberi tahu Anda bahwa atasan Anda mengatakan bahwa Anda tidak pernah memberi tahu mereka tentang kemungkinan komplikasi saraf?
Itu omong kosong.
Aku tidak percaya mereka akan mengatakan bahwa mereka tidak tahu ada penyakit neurologis yang terkait dengan vaksinasi influenza.
Itu sama sekali tidak benar. Kami memang tahu.
Sudah kukatakan bahwa Dr. Hatwick tidak pernah memberi tahu perasaannya tentang hal ini kepadaku.
Kalau begitu, dia berbohong.
Kurasa Anda harus berasumsi demikian.
Lalu mengapa laporan dari lembaga Anda sendiri, tertanggal Juli 1976,
mencantumkan komplikasi neurologis sebagai kemungkinan?
Saya rasa konsensus komunitas ilmiah adalah bahwa bukti yang mengaitkan gangguan neurologis dengan influenza
imunisasi sedemikian rupa sehingga mereka tidak merasa bahwa hubungan ini nyata.
Anda tidak merasa perlu untuk memberi tahu rakyat Amerika informasi itu?
Saya rasa selama bertahun-tahun ini kami telah mencoba menginformasikan rakyat Amerika selengkap mungkin.
Sebagai bagian dari menginformasikan warga Amerika tentang ancaman flu babi,
CDC Dr. Sensor juga membantu membuat iklan agar masyarakat mau menerima suntikan.
Izinkan saya membacakan untuk Anda salah satu memo dari lembaga Anda sendiri,
yang merencanakan kampanye untuk mendesak warga Amerika menerima suntikan.
Vaksin flu babi telah diterima oleh banyak orang penting, tulisnya.
Contohnya, Presiden Ford,
Henry Kissinger,
Elton John, Muhammad Ali, Mary Tyler Moore,
Rudolph Nureyev, Walter Cronkite, Ralph Nader, Edward Kennedy, dll., dll.
Benar?
Saya tidak familier dengan dokumen khusus itu,
namun saya tahu setidaknya dari kelompok itu, Presiden Ford memang menerima vaksinasi tersebut.
Apakah Anda berbicara dengan orang-orang ini sebelumnya untuk mencari tahu apakah mereka berencana menerima suntikan itu?
Saya tidak melakukannya, tidak.
Apakah ada yang melakukannya?
Saya tidak tahu.
Apakah Anda mendapatkan izin untuk menggunakan nama mereka dalam kampanye Anda?
Saya tidak tahu.
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Original transcript (English)
Dr. David Sensor, then head of the CDC, the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, is now in private industry. He devised the swine flu program, and he pushed it. You began to give flu shots to the American people
in October of 76. October 1st. By that time, how many cases of swine flu around the world had been reported? There had been several reported, but none confirmed. There had been cases in Australia that were reported by the press,
by the news media. There were cases in... None confirmed. Did you ever uncover any other outbreaks of swine flu? Anywhere in the world? No.
Now, nearly everyone was to receive the shot in a public health facility where a doctor might not be present. Therefore, it was up to the CDC to come up with some kind of official consent form, giving the public all the information it needed about the swine flu shot. This form stated that the swine flu vaccine had been tested.
What it didn't say was that after those tests were completed, the scientists developed another vaccine, and that was the one given to most of the 46 million who took the shot. That vaccine was called X53A. Was X53A ever field-tested?
I... I can't say. I would have to... It wasn't? I don't know. I would think that you're in charge of the program. I would have to check the records.
I haven't looked at this in some time. The information form, the consent form, was also supposed to warn people about any risks of serious complications following the shot. But did it? No, I had never heard of any reactions other than a sore arm,
fever, this sort of thing. Judy Roberts' husband, Gene, also took the shot. Yes, I looked at that document. I signed it. Nothing on there said I was going to have a heart attack or I'd get Guillain-Barre, which I never heard of.
What if people from the government, from the Center for Disease Control, what if they had indeed known about it? What would be your feeling? They should have told us. Did anyone ever come to you and say, you know something, fellas? There's the possibility of neurological damage if you get into a mass immunization program.
No. No one ever did? No. Do you know Michael Hatwick? Yes. Dr. Michael Hatwick directed the surveillance team for the swine flu program at the CDC. His job was to find out what possible complications could arise from taking the shot and to report his findings to those in charge.
Did you know ahead of time, Dr. Hatwick, that there had been case reports of neurological disorders, neurological illness, apparently associated with the injection of influenza vaccine? Absolutely. You did? Yes. How'd you know that?
By review of the literature. So you told your superiors, the men in charge of the swine flu immunization program, about the possibility of neurological disorders? Absolutely. What would you say if I told you that your superiors say that you never told them about the possibility of neurological complications?
That's nonsense. I can't believe that they would say that they did not know that there were neurological illnesses associated with influenza vaccination. That simply is not true. We did know that. I've said that Dr. Hatwick had never told me of his feelings on this subject. Then he's lying.
I guess you would have to make that assumption. Then why does this report from your own agency, dated July 1976, list neurological complications as a possibility? I think the consensus of the scientific community was that the evidence relating neurologic disorders to influenza immunization was such that they did not feel that this association was a real one.
You didn't feel it was necessary to tell the American people that information? I think that over the years we have tried to inform the American people as fully as possible. As part of informing Americans about the swine flu threat, Dr. Sensor's CDC also helped create the advertising to get the public to take the shot. Let me read to you from one of your own agency's memos,
planning the campaign to urge Americans to take the shot. The swine flu vaccine has been taken by many important persons, he wrote. Example, President Ford, Henry Kissinger, Elton John, Muhammad Ali, Mary Tyler Moore,
Rudolph Nureyev, Walter Cronkite, Ralph Nader, Edward Kennedy, etc., etc. True? I'm not familiar with that particular piece of paper, but I do know that at least of that group, President Ford did take the vaccination. Did you talk to these people beforehand to find out if they planned to take the shot?
I did not, no. Did anybody? I do not know. Did you get permission to use their names in your campaign? I do not know.
