Discussion on Military Service and Populism

Exemptions have always been used in this country to

exempt those who are useful to the authorities,

those who serve them in the media,

or in some other way. As for exemptions

in the,

military-industrial complex,

there have

repeatedly been scandals when some

bloggers with no connection whatsoever to

technical professions

receive exemptions and spend years there while

running admin channels and thus

avoiding

their civic duty.

I really appreciate your progress in your statements, because just

a year ago, you said fixed service terms were impossible and there

would be none. Today, either your president is

feeling better, or you finally communicated with him,

I'm already hearing a different

statement. Soon I'll be applauding you.

That's progress.

Madam Vlasta, I will also respond. The thing is,

I have not changed my position. I believe

that any statements about fixed terms

of service, about demobilization, are purely populist statements,

regardless of who makes them. First. Second. I am not talking about fixed terms of service.

I am talking about discharge from military service, uh, from Ukraine's Armed Forces

and other components of the security and defense sector, for those who have fought since

2014, since 2022, have suffered numerous wounds, and the criteria

for discharge must be developed.

But this is not setting fixed terms of service, because under conditions of

a full-scale armed conflict, there can be no questions of

demobilization or fixed terms of service,

as I have already said, against the backdrop of

the systematic growth of the occupying forces.

Next time, when you speak with the president,

ask him not to make

any more populist statements because, uh, it turns out, he doesn't even

discuss these, these issues with members of his own party.

Question—

Then they go on air, like,

Serhii, Serhii! Yes, they want to create another body,

a coordination

headquarters or a center that will also be involved in

det—determining whether an enterprise is critical or not.

Uh, Serhiy, do you have any expectations that by the end

of the year, they will actually start

releasing— discharging from the military, um,

those who've been at war longer? Is— how strong is this demand among soldiers

still, or is there already complete disillusionment?

Because the government really made a lot of promises, and Fedir says

that all this is now being done

comprehensively.

So why does Fedir say this is being done in a— comprehensive way?

He says these are all populist statements, statements that got them into power

and that they intend to use to return to power. But that won't happen.

They'll all go to prison after the war, immediately, including Fedir.

But—

Serhii—

I'm talking about something else.

Well, that's not what we're talking about.

I'm talking about something else.

What does prison have to do with it?

Vlada, I'm talking about something else. Uh, I'm talking about the fact that when we talk about

justice, then it is precisely the task of the state

to write, including about Fedir, to write

fair pun— because it turns out, Fedir, that I've been in

the Armed Forces, in a combat brigade for eight years,

while you haven't.

First of all, I consider that a great injustice,

and secondly, well, it's not normal that you want to get by on some people's

shoulders, and if the war happens again, then afterward

you'll try once again to get by on my shoulders, on my shoulders and on

shoulders of those sitting in the trenches today, on the shoulders

of those flying drones today, yeah, like me and my younger

brother, by the way. For some reason, uh, some families are fighting

in their entirety, while other families sit in the Verkhovna Rada and

get exemptions

for their children or arrange jobs for them at defense industry

enterprises, though those children don't actually work there.

They're on Telegram, running, uh,

jingoistic patriotic channels—

The state—

that are beneficial—

Serhii

to your state.

The state must now determine who actually works and who doesn't.

Uh, dear—

So what, what—

Fedir—

shall I tell you? There were journalistic investigations.

Well, are we talking about this as if it weren't a proven

fact? It's a proven fact.

Lachyn had an exemption for a long time at a defense industry enterprise,

although he did not perform his direct duties in the position he

held.