Arabic → English transcript

- Iran is still…

- Let’s listen to the basics.- Meaning the talk about how… I agree with Dr.

Hassan that the United States of America is waging…

a campaign, of course there is an ongoing war, so the United States of America…

says that the Iranian side is divided, and it may well be divided.

Divided on what basis?

That there is a party that has managed to take control of the situation in Iran.

Meaning the Revolutionary Guard,

the Revolutionary Guard leaderships are the strongest.

But they are still maintaining a political front, and their political decisions…

in negotiations, in going to negotiations, in opening Hormuz,

closing it, and others, are coherent.

The United States of America is not divided, the United States of America…

And here I disagree with, I mean, some of the propositions.

The United States of America is not in the same position as Iran.

And the negotiations with Iran are not about Hormuz, Hormuz is a secondary issue.

The main issue is nuclear.

But are we not facing a different president even if…

We were dealing with a state the size of the United States?

Even if so, it is a state of institutions, the United States of America,

let us not forget...— that what is happening today is not the act...

— You started, Dr. Ibrahim... excuse me, but it is not Trump's doing.

I mean the nuclear deal with Obama, and the one before it,

and the one before that... all of them because the United,

or rather all of them because the United States of America...

sees in Iran a nuclear problem, and it tried to deal with it.

It has now gone into war with it,

and before that it threatened sanctions,

and it carried out the sanctions.

We are facing two unequal states.

The United States of America is now trying to translate its military

victory over Iran...

into a political victory as well,

and Iran is defending itself. It is trying to say, no, we have paid enough,

and we will not surrender this easily.

— In what sense did it win?— But its going, excuse me, its going, excuse me,

I will answer you. Its going to negotiations,

these initiatives now and its going to negotiations... All of that means Iran

wants to make concessions, or it wants to negotiate.

But it does not want to give the United States everything,

because it chose to enter the war… so as not to give everything,

but it is not in a position where it has bloodied the United States of America…

or that it is stronger, this is unreasonable.

The United States of America has the strongest army in the world,

the strongest economy, it has everything. I hear you, Dr. Hassan.

In what sense did the United States win and wants to translate that into a

political achievement?

All right, let us go back to the twenty- sixth and twenty- seventh of February.

Iran had facilities, nuclear, infrastructure, military infrastructure…

all of them were struck and destroyed to a very large extent.

We may differ on the percentages,

but they were struck.- What was achieved as a victory?- Excuse me, the leaderships…

A large number of Iranian leaders were killed,

and this disrupted command and control. Not only command and control,

we know what that means even in studies…

We know what it means to kill the first line,

and the second and third tiers of leadership.

Excuse me, what does all of this mean?

It means that the United States of America…

has achieved military gains and is trying to translate them into a victory.

This is what I mean when I say that the United States of America has made progress.

The assassinations are the major achievement of the United States,

which it wants to…

After the assassinations, what then? Iran fought a war for forty days…

and struck the United States, putting fourteen bases out of service…

It struck Israel and left it bleeding,

and it overturned all the calculations. The declared objectives

at the start of the war are what

we judge by to determine… achievement or failure, not that, by God,

a bridge was hit here or

some infrastructure there. Nine months ago,

the United States announced that it had finished off,

that it had eliminated the nuclear program. Then in this war, once again,

that it had eliminated the nuclear program, but what did it achieve?

Which of the declared objectives were fulfilled so that we can say it won?

Victory is built on goals. There is a debate about the Iranian interior…

When the Iranian interior draws from Western sources… From English sources

specifically, American ones… it seems there is a split among those who enter

The Iranian context.

Everything is discussed in Iran, everything.

- And these cannot be decided…- Dr. Muhannad, just one small detail…

I need to clarify it, then

I will bring the discussion back to the table. My guest Dr.

Hassan pointed out that Iran managed to put 14 bases out of service.

According to the security data you have, is this possible? This is not accurate,

yes, Iran did manage to target a large number… Of military sites belonging to the

United States of America. But they are camps or bases,

meaning under the sovereignty of the states it targeted…

and most of them are Gulf Arab states, but

first, there were no soldiers there.

I mean the number of soldiers was very small,

perhaps in Kuwait there were some soldiers and some of them were killed.

A very limited number, and second, the United… The United States…

did not launch the war from any Gulf country.

I mean, even the accusations the Iranians made were not accurate.