Transcript · Persian → English
Public Reactions to Recent Protests
And that is, at least I consider myself bold enough
to tell you this. We really aren't in a position to tell people
two hundred and twenty
nights out on the streets, to decide for them.
To tell them, for example, to protest this or not, to be this way,
not that way.
It goes back to my own experience. I—
What about the organizers?
As I was saying, you yourselves acknowledged that those gatherings that are being organized
are actually far fewer. Gatherings in villages, small towns, and
outlying gatherings in Tehran's districts have no real organization
whatsoever. Their organization comes from, say, four people at a
mosque and a religious gathering, two shopkeepers, and the like. Because I go and
see it.
That's right.
The other person has some opinions too.
That morning
when they announced Agha's martyrdom, it was Ramadan, you remember
that, right?
Yes.
I was out on Enghelab Street, we were just sitting around.
It was time for the mourning recitation, and we didn't know what to do. I'm telling you the truth.
Near Valiasr Intersection, on the north side, we were with
sitting with our friends, and no one was saying anything.
We couldn't do anything— then the sun gradually rose, and suddenly I
saw that this street was full of people, and
it was a very strange sight. I don't think that as long as I'm
alive, I'll ever be able to forget it. So many people
were crying. Intensely. The sound of wailing
was loud, and people were coming and going. Look, there wasn't even a direction
to it. I say they were going because I was at Valiasr Intersection
myself.
Roughly. To be more precise, near Mozafar Brothers, on the
north side, by the curb.
Then some were heading toward Enghelab Square.
Some went ahead of us toward Valiasr Intersection. That was it.
That's how people came out into the streets. They had no organizers or anything.
What was the Supreme Leader's message? He said that during these several— I think, eight days, society
had no leader. This community had risen up to lead society.
I still think the reins are in their own hands.
Someone who has 220 nights, 200 and how much?
Let’s not forget the gathering and the people, on Quds Day they were bombing us.
Someone was martyred. They, they were marching.
You…
You can’t find this in any anti-colonial movement.
I really don’t have the social science education like you two distinguished gentlemen.
I studied history. You don’t see this anywhere.
You were demonstrating on Quds Day, a day when the whole world
demonstrates and marches, they were dropping bombs.
I was there again. That was the situation.
And now they’ve come, and by God, I think everyone
knows.
The officials know too, in my view. And if anyone has doubts, they should really go
and think. That plan the enemy had, that
plan Trump had, that swaggering he was doing on the first day,
he went and sat in Mar-a-Lago and talked, and from this
it was clear that he was saying, “I’ve struck now, I’ll announce the news, eighteen
or nineteen Plus groups, I’ll bring down on their heads.”
One more thing, something more serious. Later he spoke up and said he had armed the Kurds.
Like, these things hadn’t worked.
He even rebuked and reprimanded them.
That was it. Then suddenly, these people emerged from somewhere,
and we really don’t know how. I truly have no idea.
They came and held on. And you can really see that the Americans,
the Zionists, had no Plan B for this.
They had an answer for— missile cities, for air defense,
they had an answer,
for military forces, they had an answer, they had mapped out the ground operation.
These aren’t kids. These people
have been fighting for a hundred years. They fought the whole world, committed every genocide.
They had no answer to this. But the people came.
Now we’re stuck in these circumstances, with a thousand pressures,
pressure from supporters, economic pressure, and obstacles,
and in some areas, he has differing views, and nothing else.
At the very least, let him voice his opinion.
If this person now holds back his opinion— well, look, for example, Mr.—sir
Mohammad Reza Bozorgvar says, well, like, his representative should go make a speech.
I'm going to tell him—
He should write it himself.
He quickly says, "Sir, Parliament is closed." He should write himself that this
isn't his line of work. He was a grocer, but he's keeping the country
afloat.
He was a fruit seller, he's keeping the— A laborer is keeping the country
afloat.
That's right, but—
I'm saying this very firmly—
Some of those who broke away from you—
I'm saying this very firmly. They held it together. I swear to God, they held it
together.
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Original transcript (Persian)
اونم اینه که من حداقل خودمو و جسارت میکنم خدمت شماها. ما تو جایگاهی نیستیم واقعاً برای مردم که دویست و بیست شبه تو خیابونن مثلاً تعیین تکلیف بکنیم. بگیم مثلاً تو به این اعتراض بکن یا نکن، اینجوری باش،
اونجوری نباش. من برمیگرده به همون تجربه خودم. من- سازماندهندگان چی؟ عرض میکنم خودتون اذان داشتین که اون تجمعاتی که سازماندهی داره میشه اصلاً خیلی کمتره. تجمعات روستاها، شهرهای کوچک، تجمع
حاشیه ای در مناطق تهران اصلاً هیچگونه سازماندهی آنچنانی. سازماندهیش برآمده از مثلاً چهار نفر توی یه مسجد و هیئت و دو تا کاسب و ایناست. من چون دارم میرم و دارم میبینم. درسته.
طرفم یه نظراتی داره. صبح که شهادت آقا رو اعلام کردن ماه مبارک بود دیگه خاطرتون هست. بله.
من بیرون بودم تو خیابون انقلاب بودم همینجوری نشسته بودیم. زمان روضه و نمیدونستیم باید چیکار کنیم. واقعاً دارم میگم. نزدیک چهارراه ولیعصر تو ضلع شمالی ما با رفیقامون نشسته بودیم و همین پیش که هیچ حرفی نمیزد هیچ کاری نمیتونستیم-- آفتاب کمکم طلوع کرد و من یهو
دیدم این خیابون پر آدمه و یه صحنه خیلی عجیبی بود. فکر نمیکنم تا روزی که زنده ام بتونم فراموشش کنم. یه عالم آدم گریه میکردن. خیلی شدید. صدای شیون بلند بود و میآمدن و میرفتن. ببین حتی جهتی
نداشت. میگم داشتن میرفتن چون من چهارراه ولیعصر بودم تقریباً. دقیقتر بگم نزدیک برادران مظفر، ضلع شمالی، لب جدول. بعد یه عده میرفتن به سمت میدان انقلاب.
یه عده جلو ما میرفتن به سمت چهارراه ولیعصر. این بود. مردم اینجوری اومدن تو خیابون. نه سازماندهندهای داشتن نه چیزی. پیام رهبر انقلاب چی بود؟ گفت در این چند-- هشت روز فکر میکنم که جامعه رهبر نداشت. این امت مبعوث بودن که داشتن جامعه رو رهبری میکردن. هنوزم به نظر من فرمان دست خودشه.
کسی که دویست و بیست شب دویست و دارم چقدر تجمع و مردم یادمون نره روز قدس داشت بمبارون میکرد. طرف شهید شد. اینا، اینا داشتن راهپیمایی میکردن. اصلاً شما اینو تو هیچ جنبش ضد استعماری پیدا نمیکنی.
من واقعاً سواد علوم اجتماعی مثل شما دو بزرگوار ندارم. تاریخ خوندم. هیچ جایی شما اینو نمیبینی. تظاهرات داشتی میکردی روز قدس، روزی که جهانی همه تظاهرات میکنن، راهپیمایی میکنن، بمب میزد. باز من حضور داشتم. وضعیت اینجوری بود.
الانم اینا اومدن و بینیا بین الله فکر میکنم همه ما میدونیم. مسئولین هم به نظر من میدونن. و اگر کسی هم شک داره واقعاً بره فکر کنه. اون برنامهای که دشمن داشت، اون برنامهای که ترامپ داشت، اون گردنکلفتی که روز
اول میکرد، رفت تو مارا لاگو نشست حرف زد، از این برمیآمد که میگفت الان زدم خبرو اعلام میکنم هجده نوزده عدهی پلاس رو سرشون در میارم. یک چیز اضافهتر، سنگینتر. بعداً صداش دراومد گفت کردها رو مسلح کرده بودم. این مثلاً اینا کار نکردن.
حتی عتاب کرد، توبیخ کرد. این بود. بعد یهو این مردم از یک جایی دراومدن و که ما نمیدونیم چجوری واقعاً. من واقعاً هیچ فهمی ندارم. اومدن و نگه داشتن. و واقعاً شما میبینی که آمریکاییها، صهیونیستها هیچ plan B برای این نداشتن.
برا با-- برای شهر موشکی جواب داشت، برای پدافند جواب داشت، برای نیروی نظامی جواب داشت، نقشه عملیات زمینیشو کشیده بود. اینا بچه نیستن. اینا صد ساله دارن میجنگن. با همه دنیا جنگیدن، از همه نسلکشی
کردن. اینو جواب نداشت. ولی مردم اومدن. حالا تو این شرایطی گیر کردیم با هزار تا فشار طرفدار بهش میاد، فشار اقتصادی و موانع نشین و یه جاهایی هم اختلاف نظر داره و هیچی حداقل دیگه بذاریم نظرش هم بگه دیگه.
اگه این آدم الان نظرشو نگه-- خب ببین مثلاً آقای-- آقا محمدرضای بزرگوار میگن که خب مثلاً نمایندهاش بره نطق کنه. من دارم میرم میگما- خودشم بنویسه. سریع میگه، میگه آقا مجلس تعطیله. خودش بنویسه که خودش این
کاره نیست. خودش بقال بوده اومده ولی داره مملکت نگه میداره. میوه فروش بوده داره مملکتو نگه-- کارگر بوده این داره مملکت رو نگه میداره. درسته ولی-
خیلی محکم میگم اینو- یه بخشی از اینا که ریزشت کرد- من خیلی محکم میگم. اینا نگه داشتن. خدا شاهده اینا نگه داشتن