English transcript

So we had a situation a few months ago where it appeared that the current Italian Prime

Minister, Giorgio Maloney, was extremely cordial with the president of the United States.

He spoke very highly of her in public.

But now we've seen a big split, first over the Iran war and second over the president's

attacks on Pope Leo, of course, the first American pope.

Let's take the war, first of all.

Obviously, Giorgio Maloney is in line with most European leaders here.

What do you feel about the reaction of President Trump to Prime Minister Maloney in the context

of her opposition to the war?

First of all, there are some problems in the Italian politics, not interesting for you

and for your audience, I suppose.

Giorgio Maloney lost a constitutional referendum just one month ago.

And she had some problem because she exaggerated with the fiscal pressure.

She promised to reduce taxation and she increased.

That is an internal policy, internal issue, not very interesting for American people or

for international people.

But that is the signal of weakness.

And when a leader, in this case, when Giorgio Maloney became so weak, what happened?

She tried to stop her special relationship with President Trump.

Why?

Because President Trump gave not a very good advantage to alliance in the world.

Thinking about Canada, Canadian lost a right in Canada, lost the election after the victory

of Trump because the people in Canada voted against Trump more than pro-Mark Carney.

The same in Australia, the same in Greenland, the same in Hungary.

What means that?

Donald Trump today is not a plus in the international right, became a minus.

And Giorgio Maloney, she's intelligent.

She's not my best friend, but she's a very intelligent woman.

She understood that.

She gave the message.

I don't want to be very close to President Trump.

Then Iranian war, then the Pope Leo, then all the single issue.

But the problem is political problem.

She worried about the friendship of President Trump.

And that is very interesting for the people who follow the politics.