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Discussion on Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
这是一场种族清洗行动。
而以色列人以为他们能做的 就是他们以为自己可以杀害
大批巴勒斯坦人 并将他们驱逐出
加沙。
他们还以为可以把他们活活饿死 并以此
作为将他们同样驱逐出加沙的手段。
如果你看一看他们对加沙 所造成的
破坏，这远远、远远超出了
他们声称只是为了打击哈马斯 的说法
以及这只是附带损害的说辞。
他们摧毁了加沙几乎每一所大学 或
学院。他们一直在掘毁
墓地。
他们一直在摧毁图书馆 和清真寺。
他们一直在向医院开火扫射。
加沙几乎已经没有任何 能正常运转的医院了。
更有意思的是你刚才谈到的长远问 题 关于如何
从长远来看， 避免此类事件再次发生。
正如我所说，将会持续 存在一个
种族隔离国家。以色列 仍将是一个种族隔离国家。
你不得不自问的问题是， 那些在
那个种族隔离国家中受压迫的人民
会怎么做？而事实是， 他们将继续抵抗。
因为我们现在谈论的是 约旦河西岸和加沙。
约旦河西岸和加沙。
是的。
我是说，你要记住的是， 巴勒斯坦人的人数
在大以色列地区 大致相当，
人数， 与以色列犹太人的人数相同。
据我
计算， 大约有730万以色列犹太人
以及
730万巴勒斯坦人生活在大
加沙。
嗯。
问题是
你的意思是整个以色列， 而不是大加沙。
是的，抱歉，是大以色列。对， 在大以色列内部。
那么问题来了，你知道， 考虑到这些数据，并且
鉴于这是一个种族隔离国家， 这一切最终会走向何方？
嗯， 这对以色列人来说是一颗
人口定时炸弹。
没错。这就是为什么他们 企图对加沙进行种族清洗。
这就是为什么他们在屠杀那些人， 这与你所说的恰恰相反。
你要明白， 以色列人自己也清楚
他们生活在一个种族隔离
国家。 以色列人明白南非
曾经发生过什么。
他们明白，种族隔离国家 从长远来看
是无法维系的， 他们必须解决这个问题。
而在他们看来，解决问题的 唯一途径就是把
巴勒斯坦人赶出加沙，并
赶出约旦河西岸。而 如果他们做不到这一点，
他们会把他们全都杀了。
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Original transcript (English)
This is an ethnic cleansing exercise. And what the Israelis thought they could do was they thought they could murder large numbers of Palestinians and drive them out of Gaza. And they thought they could starve them to death and use that
as an instrument for driving them out of Gaza as well. If you look at the damage they have inflicted on Gaza, it goes well, well beyond the claim that they were interested in going after Hamas and that this is just collateral damage.
They've destroyed virtually every university or college in Gaza. They've been tearing up cemeteries. They've been destroying libraries and mosques. They've been shooting up hospitals.
There are hardly any functioning hospitals in Gaza. More interesting is what you were saying about the long term, how to evade something like this to happen again in the long term. You're going to have, as I said, the continuation of an apartheid state. Israel is going to remain an apartheid state.
And the question you have to ask yourself is what are the oppressed people in that apartheid state going to do? And the fact is they're going to continue to resist. Because now we're talking about the West Bank and Gaza. West Bank and Gaza.
Yeah. I mean, the thing you want to remember is that the number of Palestinians inside of greater Israel is roughly the same number, same number as the number of Israeli Jews. By my
count, you have about 7.3 million Israeli Jews and 7.3 million Palestinians inside of greater Gaza. Mm-hmm.
The question Not greater Gaza, but the whole of Israel, you mean. Yeah, I'm sorry, greater Israel. Yes, inside greater Israel. And the question is, you know, given those numbers and given that you have an apartheid state, where does this all lead?
Well, it's a demographical time bomb for the Israelis. That's right. And that's why they were trying to ethnically cleanse Gaza. That's why they were murdering all those people, contrary to what you said. You want to understand that the Israelis understand
that they live in an apartheid state. The Israelis understand what happened to South Africa. They understand that an apartheid state is not sustainable over the long term, and they have to fix the problem.
And the only way they see to fix the problem is to drive the Palestinians out of Gaza and out of the West Bank. And if they can't do that, they'll murder them all.
