Discussion on Religious Texts and Beliefs

What are we debating, anyway?

Why debate? You're challenging me over my books.

Hold yourself to your own books.

No, I hold myself to my books, except for what you say about them.

Then hold yourself to what is in your books, and don't hold me to my books. That's your right.

Look here, I'll bring it up because he wants to show how

the Sunnah.

This is a deliberate method, they hate the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him.

Yes, yes.

This is innovation and deception.

No, no, no, no.

Yes, yes, yes.

Mr. Hadi, I've been clear from the start. I said this heritage has insulted the Prophet.

Prophet.

Yes, yes.

If you have a defense, go ahead. I've been clear from the start, I am careful.

You have a defense, I mean, Mr. Mahjoub, today when there comes to you

someone who tells you that Sahih Muslim and Sahih al-Bukhari

contain an insult to the Messenger. How? How do I defend the Messenger?

Yes, yes.

How do I defend the Messenger?

Let's forget that the person facing me is Shiite, and forget that the one facing you may be an atheist.

What's the problem? What's the problem?

The same thing, if you have in their books, in the books of

the Shiites, anything that tarnishes the image of the Messenger, peace and blessings be upon him,

then draw your weapon and sharpen it well.

Yes, no, no, no doubt, no doubt.

Clear. I'll reset the timing.

Time for clarification, Professor Ahmed Salman.

Go ahead.

I agree with Sheikh Mahjoub. My call is to hold fast

to the Quran. The Quran that says, "Indeed, you are of

great moral character." The Quran that says, "Nor does he speak

from his own desire. It is nothing but revelation revealed." The Quran that says,

"Had you been harsh and hard-hearted, they would have dispersed from around you."

This is the Quran I hold fast to, and I reject the idea that

the Prophet was insulting, abusive, or obscene, commanding

vulgarity and obscenity.

So do we.

I'll move to the second objection, excuse me. Let me speak, Sheikh Mahjoub, when I speak during your time, all right?

The second objection is to Sheikh Mahjoub

and to the audience behind the camera. The books of hadith

reported that the Messenger of God, peace and blessings be upon him and his family,

was a man under a spell.

The narration in Bukhari says the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, was bewitched

until he imagined that he was doing

something when he was not, meaning he lived in delusions.

Another narration says he imagined that he had

done something when he had not. Another narration, all of these

are about the same reality. He would see

That he would approach women but not have intercourse with them.

Another wording: until his vision was impaired, or

until his eyesight was nearly affected, meaning the Prophet was bewitched.

This magic affected him so much that the Prophet could not

distinguish what he saw. He could not

tell from his actions whether he had approached

his wife or not, so everything

became fantasies and hallucinations to him. That is, because of the magic,

the Prophet, peace be upon him and his family, hallucinated. Fine.

Two important matters. How long did this magic last?

According to what Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani and others mention,

the magic lasted six months.

That is, six months. The Prophet, peace be upon him and his family, did not know what

he was doing.

He lived in a world of delusions and fantasies. I return

to al-Bukhari, which is the basis. Al-Bukhari included

this hadith

under this heading: Chapter on the description

of Iblis and his soldiers. That is, this Messenger whom

God Almighty chose, Iblis gained power over him, and the soldiers of

Iblis gained power over him. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani comments,

saying, “The reason for including this hadith here is that

sorcerers can only accomplish this by seeking the assistance of

devils.” That is, this Prophet, this

Prophet in whom Sheikh Mahjoub believes, was overpowered by him.

the devils, and whoever is overpowered by devils

can no longer distinguish between things. And of course, as usual, we turn to

the Quran. God says in the Quran,

"My servants, you have no authority over them."

Bukhari says no.

God’s servants, like the Prophet, the devil has authority over them.

Iblis admits it. He says, "My Lord said, 'My Lord,

because You led me astray, I will surely entice them, except Your sincere servants.'"

Iblis admits it. He says, "My Lord, Your

sincere servants, I cannot exert power

over them."

Bukhari says, "No, Iblis, you are lying.

I exerted power over a Prophet." I ask you now,

these six months, let us assume for the sake of argument

that they were six months.

Was the Prophet aware of what he was doing or not? And what is the proof of that?

The answer is, with proof. Go ahead.

First, I will give you from the sources of your books,

Al-Kafi.

Is it a reference for you or not?

One moment, Mr. Mahjoub.

Go ahead.

So, is Al-Kafi a reference among the Shia or not a reference among the Shia?

It is a reference among the Shia. He says that Bukhari, what a futile

endeavor.

shows that the Messenger insults and curses. Listen, listen, listen.

Al-Kafi, volume two, page two hundred

And how does Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him,

describe it, as Muhammad ibn Yahya narrated from Muhammad ibn al-Husayn,

from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Abi Nasr, from Abu Abd

Allah, and so on? He said, the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said:

He said, “The Messenger of Allah said.” He did not say, “Al-Bukhari said” or “Al-Kafi said.”

This is speech from the Prophet, peace be upon him: “If you see

people of doubt and innovation, listen carefully, disavow

them, Zayd, and insult them more,

speak against them and slander them,

and confound them so that they do not aspire to...” To the end of the quote.

Al-Kafi.

That is why Professor Ahmed Salman is in Tunisia, and he knows that Tunisia

is Sunni and that there are matters he cannot, cannot

overstep.

Because he is a person.

Yes.

No, no, a person, no, a person. No, rather, this is a person. No, this is not. A person. No, a person.

This. This is what I am explaining. Not a person. Okay, a person. That in Tunisia, we have

a Sunni Zaytuna reference. Therefore, we must respect it

by virtue of, meaning, the people of the country, and so on. The use of taqiyya.

I do not curse the Companions, nor the Mothers of the Believers, nor the people of innovation.

Therefore, in Al-Kafi, Bihar al-Anwar, and other books.

Whoever contradicts their texts and does not

adhere to and hold fast to the three principles of faith

according to them, not the six as explicitly stated in the Book of God, Glorified

and Exalted be He, must be cursed and insulted, and must

be called lower than pigs and dogs, God forbid. This is known among the People of the

Sunnah. Thus, in your books, you insult the Prophet, peace be upon him,

with what? With these phrases. Did the Messenger of God say,

“Whoever opposes, whoever opposes, whoever opposes, insult him and do whatever you wish to him”?

Let us return to infallibility regarding what?

This infallibility regarding magic.

Listen.

Sir Ahmad, all the scholars agree

unanimously on this text, and it is a matter of creed,

that prophets and messengers are infallible in conveying

legislation and revelation. It is absolutely impossible

for a prophet to err in conveying the revelation

that God revealed to him. This has become a matter of definitive consensus,

indeed, it is among the established truths and what is known

of religion by necessity.

Therefore, the issue of magic—

so as not to take too long.

The Prophet was bewitched, as is authentically established

in the hadith of Aisha, may Allah be pleased with her. The magic by which

the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, was bewitched, was it an intrusion

upon revelation and the delivery of the message, or was it

illusory magic?

In Surah

Ta-Ha, when Allah, Glorified and Exalted be He, mentioned Pharaoh

with Moses, or Moses with Pharaoh and the magicians, what did Allah,

Glorified and Exalted be He, say? They said, “O Moses, either you throw, or we will be

the first to throw.” He said, “Rather, you throw.” This is Allah’s Prophet.

The one who spoke to Allah. This is the one of whom Allah said, “And I bestowed love

from Me upon you and made you for Myself.” What did He say? He said, “It was made to seem

to him.” And the healers, count me, the healers, count me, the healers.

You must study the chapter on ruqyah within the chapter on creed.

Learn that there are different types of magic.

I have experienced it myself, illusion, where it is made to seem to you

that you did something when you did not. What did Aisha say? She said,

“It was made to seem to him,” meaning, was he

intimate with his wives or not?

Did he have intercourse with Aisha, Hafsa, or Sawda, and others,

or not? This was the illusion concerning the Prophet’s bewitchment.

But regarding the delivery of the message, if that were the case, it would corrupt it

The Quran, or did he hate the Holy Quran?

Time's up, Mr. Mahjoub. Mr. Ahmed turned it around because he

started with the question and ended with the answer, explaining

magic from the start, if you want to answer. As for the question, would you like

us to remind you of it or not? He said, "Even you don't know how."