Transcript · Hindi → English

Investigating Election Commission Disputes

People are saying someone handed you papers

or that you went somewhere, met someone, and he gave you those papers.

I just want to clarify that if it were that easy, then

there would be no need for an investigation, for someone to come and drop papers in your lap

and leave. This is a rather filmi theory.

Journalism does not work like that. I have been covering the Election Commission

for ten years, and I am sure Deeptiman will agree with me

that every beat reporter spends a great deal of time

understanding a beat, assessing it, meeting people,

getting to know them, and, through their work,

earning their trust. When you earn that trust,

when they feel that you have no agenda, that you only

work with facts, and this is, in a way, the Indian Express

Our philosophy has also been that we work on facts. So when

people gain that trust, they gradually start opening up to you.

So stories don't break overnight. Some may, but

stories like these don't.

Where we're trying to tell people that over the past roughly one

year, there has been a difference of opinion in the Election Commission,

stories like these aren't found overnight. So, of course,

a lot of it is the culmination of having covered a beat for almost ten years now.

a beat for almost ten years now।

But we certainly had an inkling about seven or eight months ago

that

there were some differences among the three Election Commission commissioners

on certain issues.

After getting that tip-off, of course, we began speaking to people.

Those conversations continued for several months. Based on

those conversations, we were able to prepare a framework that

We found out that there were three or four important issues on which these people had

What can I say, not a dispute, but some former commissioners

were unhappy.

But our investigation actually picked up pace in the last two months

when our framework was ready and also, if we had to give anyone documents

then we did not need to go to as many as four states. We

got some input, got some documents. Based on that, we went and many

were obtained by us

documents from the ground as well.

Where all did you have to go?

We went, of course, to Delhi, Mumbai, Goa

and Kolkata. We went to four cities over a

period of the last month, a little over the last month.

A-and

again, the short answer to your question is that it didn't happen

overnight. It was obviously based on a tip-off. After receiving the tip-off,

we spoke to people, and then after that, whatever investigation

Whatever someone does, everyone knows that you then go out into the field to verify it

and try to gather every piece of evidence possible

are.

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Original transcript (Hindi)

लोग जैसे कह रहे हैं कि किसी ने आपको कागज पकड़ा दिए या आप कहीं पर जाकर मिले और इसने दे दिए आपको कागज वो दे दिए। I just want to clarify कि अगर जो इतना आसान होता तो फिर इसमें investigation की जरूरत ही नहीं है कि कोई आपको आकर आपकी झोली में कागज छोड़ कर चला जाए। यह बहुत एक तरह से फिल्मी theory है।

journalism पत्रकारिता ऐसी नहीं होती है। मैं election commission दस साल से cover कर रही हूं और यह I am sure दीप्तिमान भी मेरे साथ agree करेंगे कि जो भी कोई beat reporter होता है वह बहुत समय बिताता है एक beat को समझने में, उसको परखने में, लोगों से मिलने जुलने में, उनका एक तरह से अपने काम के द्वारा

उनका विश्वास जीतने में। आप जब वह विश्वास जीतते जब उन्हें लगता है कि आपका कोई agenda नहीं है, आप सिर्फ तथ्यों पर काम करते हैं और यह एक तरह से Indian Express की philosophy भी रही है कि हम facts पर काम करते हैं। तो जब लोगों को वह विश्वास आ जाता है तो लोग थोड़ा सा आपसे धीरे

धीरे खुल कर बात करते हैं। तो खबरें रातों रात नहीं निकलती हैं। कुछ निकल जाती होंगी। but इस तरह की खबरें जहां पर हम लोगों को बताना चाह रहे हैं कि पिछले लगभग एक साल में चुनाव आयोग में किस तरह का मतभेद है, इस तरह की खबरें overnight नहीं मिलती हैं। So of course

a lot of it is a culmination of having covering having covered a beat for almost ten years now। but यह जरूर है कि हमें लगभग सात आठ महीने पहले थोड़ा सा अनुमान लग चुका था कि अ-चुनाव आयोग में तीनों commissioners के बीच में कुछ

मुद्दों पर मतभेद थी। वह tip off मिलने के बाद of course हम लोगों ने लोगों से बात करनी शुरू की। यह बातचीत लगभग कुछ महीने चलती रही। उस बातचीत के आधार पर हमको इतना एक हमने ढांचा तैयार कर लिया गया कि हमें पता लगा यह तीन से चार ऐसे अहम मुद्दे हैं जिन पर इन लोगों का

मैं क्या कहूं झगड़ा नहीं but कुछ अ-commissioners नाखुश थे। but हमारी investigation रफ्तार actually पिछले दो महीने में पकड़ी कि जब हमारा ढांचा तैयार हो गया और also अगर जो किसी को कागज देने ही थे तो हमें चार चार राज्यों में जाने की जरूरत नहीं थी। हमें

कुछ input मिले, कुछ कागज मिले उसके आधार पर हमने जाकर वह कई हमको कागज ground से भी जाकर मिले। कहां कहां जाना पड़ा आपको? हम लोग गए हैं हम of course Delhi में, Mumbai में, Goa

में और Kolkata। हमने चार शहरों में गए हैं over a period of the last one month little over the last one month। अ-and again the short answer to your question is कि it didn't happen overnight। It was obviously based on a tip off। tip off मिलने के

बाद हमने लोगों से बात की और फिर उसके बाद जो भी investigation जो भी करता सबको पता है कि फिर आप ground पर जाते हैं, उसकी पुष्टि करने की कोशिश करते हैं और सारे सबूत इकट्ठा करने की कोशिश करते हैं।

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