English → Japanese transcript
本当に興味深いのは、
彼がグルーミングを学び始
める様子を実際に見てこ
られたことですそして
日本の公園で、
自分の群れの中
にまた溶け
込んでいく
様子です。
ええ、彼がグルーミング
を始めたのを見るのは素
晴らしいことで、
それこそがこうし
た霊長類が、
ええと、親和的な
行動パターン
を築き始めた
り群れのほかのサルたちと
友情関係を築き始めるため
の重要な方法だからです。
そうした行動がないと、
かなり難しく
なり得ます。
彼がオランウータン
にグルーミングをし
ている動画を見ました。
だから彼はそうやっ
て学んでいて、それから
今度は彼のほうがグル
ーミングされ
る側にもなってグルーミン
グされている間は、
かなり受け身な感じでた
だ身を任せていました。
そのとおりです。つまり私
たち自身と同じで、
ええと、私たちも皆
、人生の中で安らぎ
を必要としています。
私たちには触れ合いによる
安らぎが必要なのです。
ええ、それが、
もともとあの抱きしめら
れるオランウー
タンが彼らのために作られ
た理由なのだと
思います。ええと、それから、
その後については、さっき言っ
たようにこのサルが自分の
群れに戻ることができたの
は本当に素晴らしいですねこの
サルが自分の群れに戻る
ことができたというの
は本当に素晴らしい
ことですそれに、
とても階層的な
構造でもあ
りますからええ、
それが、おだやかに、
ゆっくりと群れに溶け込む
必要がある理由を説明して
くれるのかもしれません。
ええとこの物語の始まり
は、勢いのある導入として
は拒絶の物語でしたよね?
こういうことは、よ
く起きるものなんで
しょうか?そうですね、
それは場合によります。
霊長類といっても、
世界には本当に多種
多様な霊長類がいます。
私自身が関わって
いるバーバ
リーマカク
について言
えば、その…
拒絶はものすご
くまれです。
それから、バーバリー
マカクでは、
他のマカクの種と同様に、
オスも実は赤ちゃんの
世話をとてもよくします。
オスたちは世話をしたり、
抱いて運んだり、毛
づくろいしたり、守ったり
するのが大好きなんです。
ですから、たとえ母親が、
私たちが期待するような理
想的な母親ではなかっ
たとしても、その個体を、
群れの他の仲間たち
が支えてくれると
私たちは分かっています。
それで実は、その…
バーバリーマカクは、
子ザルにとても、
とても寛容なんです。
赤ちゃんや1歳、
2歳の子どもたち
には特にで、群れの中では
ほとんど「貴重な存在」
として見られています。
あなたの意見では、
オランウータンは
いいアイデアだっ
たと思いますか?
私は難しいところだと
思います。ええと、実際、
賛否両論の反応が出ています。
特に、そうですね、
イギリスの動物園の、
動物園コミュニティ
の間ではですね。
そこでは福祉基準が、
世界中を見渡しても
模範的なレベル
にあります。
イギリスの動物園が
どれほど優れているかは、
誰もが知っています。
その「バ―…
ぬいぐるみのサル」は、
モンキーフォレストでは
推奨していないイメージ
を呼び起こします。
つまり、あまり
人間のように
擬人化してほ
しくないのです。
なので、その…私たちが安心
感を与えてあげられたの
は素晴らしいことですが――
でもソーシャル
メディアでこういう
種類の動画を見
たらたとえば霊長類
がペット取引に使われ
ているようなものは広
く拡散しない
ことが大切です。
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Original transcript (English)
I think what's been fascinating is actually watching him start to learn to groom I think what's been fascinating is actually watching him start to learn to groom and integrate back to within his troop in the in the park in Japan. and integrate back to within his troop in the in the park in Japan. and integrate back to within his troop in the in the park in Japan.
Um, it's been great to see him starting to groom because that is the key way that Um, it's been great to see him starting to groom because that is the key way that Um, it's been great to see him starting to groom because that is the key way that Um, it's been great to see him starting to groom because that is the key way that uh these primates can start to build up um affiliative kind of behavior
uh these primates can start to build up um affiliative kind of behavior uh these primates can start to build up um affiliative kind of behavior uh these primates can start to build up um affiliative kind of behavior and friendships with other monkeys in their group. and friendships with other monkeys in their group.
and friendships with other monkeys in their group. Without that behavior, it can be quite difficult. Without that behavior, it can be quite difficult. Without that behavior, it can be quite difficult. I saw him groom the orangutan in some video. So he's that's how he's learning and then
I saw him groom the orangutan in some video. So he's that's how he's learning and then I saw him groom the orangutan in some video. So he's that's how he's learning and then I saw him groom the orangutan in some video. So he's that's how he's learning and then he was in turn being being groomed he was in turn being being groomed
he was in turn being being groomed he was in turn being being groomed and just kind of being quite passive while he's being groomed. and just kind of being quite passive while he's being groomed. and just kind of being quite passive while he's being groomed.
Absolutely. I mean, just like ourselves, um, we we need comfort in our lives. Absolutely. I mean, just like ourselves, um, we we need comfort in our lives. Absolutely. I mean, just like ourselves, um, we we need comfort in our lives. We need that tactile comfort. We need that tactile comfort.
We need that tactile comfort. Uh and that's I guess what the cuddly orangutan originally is created for them. Uh and that's I guess what the cuddly orangutan originally is created for them. Uh and that's I guess what the cuddly orangutan originally is created for them. Um, and then what's followed is like I said, it's great to see that
Um, and then what's followed is like I said, it's great to see that Um, and then what's followed is like I said, it's great to see that Um, and then what's followed is like I said, it's great to see that this monkey has been able to to get back into its group. this monkey has been able to to get back into its group.
this monkey has been able to to get back into its group. this monkey has been able to to get back into its group. A very hierarchical structure as well, so A very hierarchical structure as well, so A very hierarchical structure as well, so
uh which can perhaps explain why there's that need to integrate gently and slowly. Um. uh which can perhaps explain why there's that need to integrate gently and slowly. Um. uh which can perhaps explain why there's that need to integrate gently and slowly. Um. uh which can perhaps explain why there's that need to integrate gently and slowly. Um. The beginning of the story, a punchy story, was a story of rejection, wasn't it?
The beginning of the story, a punchy story, was a story of rejection, wasn't it? Is that is that something happens quite a bit? Is that is that something happens quite a bit? Is that is that something happens quite a bit? Well, it it depends. Primate obviously there's a vast array of primates in the world.
Well, it it depends. Primate obviously there's a vast array of primates in the world. Well, it it depends. Primate obviously there's a vast array of primates in the world. Speaking personally about the Barbary macaques that we have, Speaking personally about the Barbary macaques that we have, Speaking personally about the Barbary macaques that we have,
Speaking personally about the Barbary macaques that we have, um, rejection is incredibly rare. Um and with Barbary macaques, um, rejection is incredibly rare. Um and with Barbary macaques, um, rejection is incredibly rare. Um and with Barbary macaques, um, rejection is incredibly rare. Um and with Barbary macaques,
the other macaque species, um males actually care for babies a lot too. the other macaque species, um males actually care for babies a lot too. the other macaque species, um males actually care for babies a lot too. They love to care, carry, groom them, protect them. They love to care, carry, groom them, protect them.
They love to care, carry, groom them, protect them. So even though mother may not be the fantastic mother that we hope she would be, So even though mother may not be the fantastic mother that we hope she would be, So even though mother may not be the fantastic mother that we hope she would be, we know that the rest of the group will support that individual.
we know that the rest of the group will support that individual. we know that the rest of the group will support that individual. we know that the rest of the group will support that individual. And actually, uh with Barbary macaques, they're very, very tolerant of young monkeys, And actually, uh with Barbary macaques, they're very, very tolerant of young monkeys,
And actually, uh with Barbary macaques, they're very, very tolerant of young monkeys, babies, one and two-year-olds, and they're seen almost as a prized asset amongst their group. babies, one and two-year-olds, and they're seen almost as a prized asset amongst their group. babies, one and two-year-olds, and they're seen almost as a prized asset amongst their group. Did was the orangutan a good idea in your opinion?
Did was the orangutan a good idea in your opinion? Did was the orangutan a good idea in your opinion? I think it's a difficult one. Uh and it's had it has had mixed responses, I think it's a difficult one. Uh and it's had it has had mixed responses, I think it's a difficult one. Uh and it's had it has had mixed responses,
I think it's a difficult one. Uh and it's had it has had mixed responses, especially amongst I would say zoo zoo community in the UK where especially amongst I would say zoo zoo community in the UK where especially amongst I would say zoo zoo community in the UK where the welfare standards are exemplary across the glo- globe.
the welfare standards are exemplary across the glo- globe. the welfare standards are exemplary across the glo- globe. Everyone knows how good UK zoos can be. Everyone knows how good UK zoos can be. Everyone knows how good UK zoos can be.
The bar- the cuddly monkey, it evokes images that we don't promote at Monkey Forest, The bar- the cuddly monkey, it evokes images that we don't promote at Monkey Forest, The bar- the cuddly monkey, it evokes images that we don't promote at Monkey Forest, The bar- the cuddly monkey, it evokes images that we don't promote at Monkey Forest, which is we don't necessarily like them to be anthropomorphized.
which is we don't necessarily like them to be anthropomorphized. which is we don't necessarily like them to be anthropomorphized. So, um, yes, great that we were able to give comfort, So, um, yes, great that we were able to give comfort, So, um, yes, great that we were able to give comfort,
but it's important to remind people if you see these kind of videos on social media where but it's important to remind people if you see these kind of videos on social media where but it's important to remind people if you see these kind of videos on social media where maybe a primate is being used in the pet trade, it's not a great idea to share them more widely. maybe a primate is being used in the pet trade, it's not a great idea to share them more widely.
maybe a primate is being used in the pet trade, it's not a great idea to share them more widely.