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我叫鲍勃·霍夫。自从 1984 年起我就确定自己是阳性。
这些年我一直抽血做化验，每隔六个 月就被确诊为 HIV 阳性，一直都是这样。
但我没有病毒载量，病毒载量为零， 而且我从来没吃过药。
而且我的计数— —计数指的是，那东西现在不叫 CD 计数了，
以前叫 OKT4 和 OKT8 计数——都正常。
这些年里，当我一直活着往前走，而 我的朋友们却一个个死去时，
要结交很多新朋友就变得非常困难。
我以前非常爱社交，在华盛顿特区参 加了很多活动，而现在我几乎成了个庞然大物。
整个文化，也就是我所接触并在其中 长大的同性恋文化，基本上消失了。
70年代、80年代和90年代在华盛顿特 区 参与同志社交团体的那些人
他们都不在了。那个圈子已经不存在 了。
所以当艾滋病毒席卷而来时 整个文化就此消亡。
我盖这栋房子，是根据我当时的人生 状态设计的。
所以有一张很大的餐桌。 我已经有15年没办过晚宴了。
我建这栋房子的时候，以为自己会有 一个同住的男朋友。
和我同龄的，已经没有人剩下了。
我来国立卫生研究院，差不多有30年 了。
只要是我能参与的项目 他们有什么，我几乎都会去做志愿者 。
嘿，鲍勃，怎么样？
接下来我要解释的，就是想再过一遍 我们之前谈过的内容。
麦吉利斯医生和我大概一年见一次。
我第一次来时，他坐下来 把这个研究涉及的内容一五一十地 给我解释清楚了。
以及我将要做什么、 它将被用来做什么。
所以你会有一系列细胞 它们看到病毒时，可能比其他细胞更 好。
它们会识别它。
而病毒载量很高的人， 他们的细胞也会看到病毒。
它们会识别它。
它们会做一些抗病毒的事情， 但关键在于质量。
你这些细胞的质量——它们分裂、增殖， 增加这些杀伤性蛋白，然后进行杀伤 。
我们有一个专门的临床研究方案， 专门用来研究那些具有免疫控制能 力的患者，
他们已经感染 HIV 很长一段时间，
却不需要服用抗逆转录病毒药物，
而且他们在临床上依然状况良好。
他们的 CD4 计数正常， 而且病毒载量检测不到。
长期以来我们一直相信， 他们掌握着弄清如何通过免疫系统 控制艾滋病的关键。
我刚从波士顿回来， 他们在那儿抽了我一大堆血，
因为他们在那边做研究。
我的一些血被送到了芝加哥， 他们也在那儿做研究。
只要有可做的检查，我都会去做。
如果我的血型能帮别人不死， 我为什么不去做呢？
要是不帮别人， 把自己的因果搞砸，那我得多疯啊。
我的意思是，这也算是你来这儿的原 因之一。
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Original transcript (English)
My name is Bob Hoff. I've been positive for certain since 1984. I've had blood taken and tested, and I've been HIV positive every six months, positively, for all these years. But I have no viral load, zero viral load, and I've never taken medications. And my counts, the counts meaning the, they're not called CD counts, but they used to be called OKT4 and OKT8 counts, are normal.
Over the years, as I would keep on going and my friends would all die, it made it very difficult to make a lot of new friends. And I used to be extremely social and did a lot of stuff in D.C., and now I'm pretty much a behemoth. The whole culture, the gay culture that I was exposed to and raised with, basically disappeared. All the people that were involved with the gay social group in D.C. from the 70s and the 80s and the 90s,
they don't exist anymore. It's not there. So an entire culture died when the HIV virus took over. I built this house based on what my life had been like. So there's a big dining room table. I haven't had a dinner party in 15 years. I built this house thinking I was going to have a live-in boyfriend.
There aren't any my age left. I've been coming to NIH for about 30 years. I volunteer for almost anything that they have that I can be a part of. Hey, Bob, how are you? So what I'm going to explain, I just want to go over what we talked about.
Dr. McGillis and I meet about once a year. The first time I came in, he sat down and explained exactly what the study was involved with and what I was going to be doing, what it was going to be used for. So you have a series of cells that may be better than other cells that see the virus. They recognize it.
And people who have high viral loads, their cells also see the virus. They recognize it. They do some antiviral things, but it's in the quality. The quality of your cells, they divide, they increase these killing proteins, and they kill. We have a clinical protocol specifically dedicated to studying patients who have immune control,
who have been infected with HIV for very prolonged periods of time, who do not need to take antiretroviral medications, and they remain clinically well. They have normal CD4 counts, and they have undetectable viral loads. And we have for a long time believed that they hold the key to figuring out how to control HIV by the immune system.
I just came back from Boston, where they took out a whole bunch of blood, because they're doing studies up in there. Some of my blood was sent to Chicago, where they're doing studies there. I'd do any available test. If my blood could be the type that could help other people not die, why wouldn't I?
I would have to be crazy to screw up my karma by not helping other people. I mean, that's sort of why you're here.
