Chinese → English transcript

Based on international news and various signs

The war will probably break out within about a month

Will you leave and go abroad?

This question, in my heart

Or rather, the first time I was asked this question

What I thought inside was

The ones who can go abroad are probably the powerful and well-connected

So with my status I would probably be way in the back of the line

So I do not know what the future situation will be

So I chose “I don’t know”

But after we discussed it

Why did I choose “I don’t know”?

What I think is

Wherever my family is

That is where I will be

So my answer is still “I don’t know”

But the reason is different

Right

Okay, this person here

Because I also think you need enough money

To be able to go abroad

It has to be that way

And the reason I am still choosing “I don’t know” now

Is actually that I admit I am a very selfish person

That is okay

Thank you for your honesty

I am very honest

I am very selfish

So I will put staying alive first

And of course I will also

If I have money, I will want to leave

That is it

That is a bit selfish

That is okay

Okay, thank you for your answer

Okay, then I would like to ask

Because just now there were a few people standing over here

Is there anyone who changed their position?

Someone who originally changed their position

So now you

Originally you were

You wanted to go to your grandma’s house

Yes

Right?

No, I still want to go to my grandma’s house

You still want to go to your grandma’s house

Yes, the food Grandma cooks is still better

You really like your grandma

Yeah

No, it is because I just heard that

A friend said they were farming

And I think actually over there in Dapi Township, Yunlin

If everyone has not been there, you can go have a look

It is also a place with very beautiful farm produce and scenery

So you can go there and do something

Yes, because it feels like

I heard people say

That when a war first starts

The cities are probably the most dangerous

So if we go to the countryside first

Hide for a while

And then if the country needs me

Because after all, for men

They will probably still be very short on manpower

Then roughly

From Yunlin

Going back to wherever

However the government assigns us is fine

But first go back to Grandma’s house, okay?

Okay, thank you for your answer

I really like that you are going back to Grandma’s house

I would like to ask over here

Since everyone here voted “No, I won’t leave”

So everyone who came today is willing to stay in Taiwan

Is there anyone who would like to tell everyone

Why you want to stay in Taiwan?

I am Mengru

And it is because I feel Taiwan is my home

I feel it is my territory

I feel I am the people of Taiwan

I was born and raised here

And to me

I feel that I

I can stay in Taiwan and do many things

Whether it is working in health care

Or joining the military

I feel that in Taiwan

it is for my country

that I can keep working hard.

I think this is something

that for me is really

worth it, and

it makes life meaningful.

So I will stay in Taiwan.

That is a very moving answer.

Okay, then

let me ask Chia-hsin.

I have been hearing all day today

this idea of “voting with your feet.”

Honestly, it makes me very sad.

Because I really have many friends

who have already “voted with their feet” and left.

They have already left.

I believe you all see international news,

or say that recently,

including the Financial Times in the U.K.,

it is no longer just the elites who are leaving.

Even the middle class are moving their assets,

all getting ready to leave.

This means that Taiwanese society is starting to feel

the reality of war.

I will also speak very frankly.

I am someone who has the ability to go abroad.

I also have relatives overseas.

If I want to go, I can leave at any time.

But after thinking it over again and again,

I believe I should stay.

Because a friend just mentioned this,

and I am very similar to that friend.

My family is here.

And I also believe that

when this situation happens,

if you calculate it in terms of the risks of victory or defeat,

I think if Taiwanese people unite

and stay together with one heart to resist,

our chances of winning do exist.

I think choosing to leave

is each person’s personal decision.

You can send your family away.

Many people in Ukraine

also sent their families to Europe

or other places,

but they themselves went back to keep fighting.

Or you may leave Taiwan,

but you can still do many things

to help Taiwan in its resistance.

I feel all of these are ways you can contribute.

But some of my friends and I,

after thinking it through, decided to stay.

They also say that their fathers,

although they came from the mainland,

have all their family buried here.

We will not leave and go somewhere else again.

So I think there are emotional reasons

and also rational reasons.

Thank you, Chia-hsin, for your answer.

Okay, now let us go to Yvonne.

Because right now I am in Ukraine,

helping with the revitalization work here,

I have actually heard a great many

of their personal stories,

stories from their daily lives.

And there are really, really, really many people

who all carry a kind of

survivor’s guilt.

When you see them normally,

they are working hard to fund-raise,

or you chat and joke with them,

go out shopping with them.

But when they are drunk,

they will cry,

grab onto your sleeve,

and then tell you,

“Please help my family.”

As for why they do not go back,

there may be many reasons.

It might be that their families will not let them return,

or they feel that by staying here

they can do more.

Which might be just like

some friends mentioned earlier.

Even if you are abroad

and even including myself

I would send my own parents away

because they are actually

very, very afraid of war

I do not think we can condemn anyone

who chooses to leave

because everyone has their own considerations

Maybe they have family members

who cannot take care of themselves

But that does not mean that once they go abroad

they will not do anything

As the war goes on longer and longer

they might be able to see more clearly

and find their own direction and goals

All right, thank you

In fact, our imagination of war

can sometimes be very, very far from reality

When facing the threat of war

if we only fear it

or run away from it, it is useless

The risk of war, in fact, for many years

Taiwan has always been facing the risk of war

When facing the threat of risk

a reasonable approach is to understand it

and then prepare for it

Only then can we, under this threat of war,

keep moving forward

and continue our development

Starting from our desire to preserve our way of life

our so-called true values

and our families

we then raise our own will to resist

and actively make proper preparations for war

This might be, in facing the threat of war,

the best way to respond

The fact that Taiwan faces the possibility of war

is sometimes extremely, extremely frustrating

because sometimes the power to decide

is actually not in our hands

So the only thing we can really do well

may be to get well prepared for war

and to make thorough preparations

So when the country falls into war,

what will I do

is what I want to ask everyone

Are we ready for that?

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Original transcript (Chinese)

根據國際消息以及各種的跡象 戰爭大概會在一個月內開戰 你會離開出國嗎? 這個題目我內心 應該說第一次問這個題目

我內心的想法是 能出國的應該就是比較有權有勢的 那以我的身分可能是很在很後面 所以我對未來的情形不知道 所以我選擇不知道

那經過了討論之後 為什麼選擇不知道 我的想法是 我的家人在哪裡 我就在哪裡

所以我答案一樣是不知道 但是理由不一樣 對 好 這位 因為我覺得也是要有足夠的資金

才能往外走 一定是這樣 然後那我現在還是選不知道的原因 其實是我承認我是一個很自私的人 沒關係

感謝你的坦承 我很誠實 我很自私 所以我會以保命為優先 然後也會當然也是

有錢我就會想出去 就這樣子 這是比較自私一點 沒關係 好 謝謝你的答案

好 那我想請問一下 因為剛剛這邊有站幾個人嗎 有沒有是變動立場的 原本變動立場的 所以你現在

原本你是 你想要去阿嬤家 對 對吧 沒有啦 我還是想去阿嬤家

你還是想去阿嬤家 對 阿嬤煮的飯還好吃 很喜歡你的阿嬤 對啊 沒有 因為我剛剛聽到那個

有朋友說在種田 那我覺得其實那邊雲林大皮鄉 大家如果沒去過的話可以去看看 那邊也是農產風光非常好的地方 所以可以去那邊做點什麼事情

對 因為感覺 我是聽人家講的 就是說戰爭一開始的時候 都市應該是最危險的 那如果我們先去鄉下

先躲一下子 然後如果國家需要我 因為畢竟男性可能 還是很缺人力 那大概

從雲林那邊 要回去哪裡 看政府怎麼分配都可以 但是先回阿嬤家好不好 好 感謝你的答案

非常喜歡你回阿嬤家這件事情 那想要問這邊 因為大家都是投不會嘛 所以今天來的人都願意守在台灣 那有沒有人你想要跟大家講

你為什麼會想要留在台灣 我是孟汝 然後因為我覺得台灣就是我的家 我覺得它就是我的國土 我覺得我就是台灣人民

我就是在這裡出生長大 然後對我來說 我覺得我 我可以留在台灣做很多事情 就是不管是做醫護

還是投入軍旅 我覺得我可以在台灣 就是為了我的國家 繼續做努力 我覺得這是一件

對我來說就是一件非常 值得跟 生命是有意義的事情 所以我會留在台灣 滿感人的答案

好 那 想問一下嘉欣好了 我今天一直聽到 用腳投票這件事 其實我聽了很難過

因為我真的很多朋友 已經用腳投票是離開了 他們已經離開了 我相信大家看到國際新聞 或是說最近

包括英國金融時報 已經不是權貴階級在離開 連中產階級都在轉移資產 都在準備離開 就是說台灣社會開始感覺到

戰爭這件事 我也很坦白講 我是有能力出國的人 我國外也有親戚 我要走我隨時可以走

但是我反覆的思辨 我認為應該要留下來 是因為剛剛有朋友提到 我跟他非常類似 我的家人在這裡

那我也認為 當這個情況發生的時候 以勝負的風險來計算的話 我認為台灣人團結 一心留下來抗戰

我認為我們贏的機率是有的 我認為要離開 是大家個人的選擇 你可以把你的家庭送走 烏克蘭很多人

也把他們的家庭送到歐洲 或其他地方 但他們回來繼續抗戰 或者是你離開台灣 但你可以做很多

幫助台灣抗戰的事情 我覺得這個都是可以發揮的地方 但我跟我的一些朋友 我們還是思考過決定留下來 他們也說他們的爸爸

雖然是大陸來的 但是家人全部都葬在這裡 我們不會再離開去其他地方 所以我覺得有感性的理由 也有理性的理由

感謝嘉欣的答案 好 那來 Yvonne 因為我現在是在烏克蘭的 振興這邊幫忙 那我其實有聽到非常多

他們自己個人的一些故事 生活故事 那其實有非常非常非常多的人 他們都有一種 倖存著的內疚

你平常看到他們的時候 他們會努力地在募款 或是跟他們談笑風生 跟他們一起出去逛街 但是他們其實在喝醉酒的時候

他們會哭著 拉著你的衣袖 然後告訴你說 請幫幫我的家人 那他們不回去

可能基於有很多理由 可能是家庭不讓他們回去 或是他們覺得他們留在這裡 可以做到更多的事情 就是可能如同像

剛剛有一些朋友說 你即便在國外 還有包含我覺得我自己 我會把我自己的父母送走 因為他們其實是

對戰爭非常非常懼怕的 我覺得不能去譴責任何一個 他選擇想要離開的人 因為每個人都有各自的考量 他或許有一些生活

不能自理的家人 但是不代表他一出國了 他就什麼事情都不會做 隨著戰爭的時間過得越久 他或許會能夠更清楚的

找到自己的方向跟目標 好 感謝 其實我們對戰爭的想像 其實有時候是落差非常非常大的 面對戰爭的威脅

其實我們一味的去恐懼它 或逃避它是沒有用的 那戰爭的風險其實多年來 在台灣一直都面臨戰爭的風險 面對風險的威脅

我們合理的做法是去了解它 然後準備它 我們才能在這個戰爭的威脅下 繼續前進 繼續我們的發展

從我們想要保存我們的生活方式 我們的所謂真實的價值 與我們的家人 然後升起我們自己的抵抗心 然後積極做好戰爭的準備

或許才是我們面對戰爭威脅中 最好的應對方式 台灣面臨戰爭這件事情 其實有時候是非常非常無奈 因為其實有時候決定權

其實並不在我們身上 所以我們唯一能做好的事情 可能就是好好的備戰 去做好準備 所以面臨國家發生戰爭

我會怎麼辦 想要問大家 那我們準備好了嗎

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