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عاد الدكتور راوول هيلبيرغ اليوم إلى منصة الشهود،
حيث تم استدعاؤه للدفاع عن العديد من الاستنتاجات التي توصّل إليها بشأن الهولوكوست
خلال أربعين عامًا من البحث.
وتراوحت الأسئلة بين انتفاضة غيتو وارسو عام 1943، وعدد الذين قُتلوا أو لم يُقتلوا،
the number who were or were not killed,
إلى السياسة الألمانية تجاه اليهود مع بدء غزو روسيا عام 1941. في هذه المرحلة،
بدأ الدفاع في الاستجواب المضاد.
وفي بعض الأحيان،
a distinguished academic, and the defense, an astute and highly capable
lawyer who spent considerable time preparing Mr. Zundel's case.
وسأل محامي الدفاع دوغ كريستي الدكتور هيلبيرغ كيف توصّل إلى الاعتقاد بأن أدولف هتلر
the belief that Adolf Hitler personally issued the annihilation order.
The doctor replied, Hitler's order was verbal,
وبالتالي لا أحد يعرف الصياغة الصحيحة.
Hilberg said. To get the evidence of
هيلبرغ بين عشية وضحاها قد يكلف 400 دولار.
هذا هو مقدار ما يكلف. شيء فظيع. والآن تعرفون لماذا الناس العاديون البسطاء
And now you know why ordinary common people
نادرًا جدًا ما يخوضون المعركة التي نخوضها نحن. وما ترونه هنا في هذه الغرفة
And what you are seeing here in this room
ليس سوى قمة جبل الجليد بالنسبة لنا.
وكان ذلك ممكنًا لأنه على مدى سنوات كثيرة، كان كثير من الناس، أنتم، كلكم قد
ساعدتم بطريقة أو بأخرى في جعل ذلك ممكنًا. لم أكن لأستطيع فعل هذا بمفردي.
I couldn't do this by myself. Defense lawyer Doug Christie
questioned the fact that the professor quoted a former SS
الإس إس عشر مرات في كتاب كتبه الأستاذ عن المحرقة. قال كريستي إن الضابط قدم ما
professor wrote about the Holocaust.
Christie said the officer made what the lawyer called incredible claims,
like claiming that Hitler witnessed some gassings and that 25
وأن الألمان قتلوا 25 مليون يهودي. اعترف البروفيسور هيلبرغ بأنه استبعد النقاط
Professor Hilberg admitted he left out the officer's incredible points in his book.
Now, there is a headline that I would have wanted to see years ago, but here it is.
لكنه ها هو. اعتراف خبير.
يا رفيق، اسمع هذه، ها؟ بعض“ حقائق” عن الموت بالغاز، بين قوسين، هراء.
هل تصدق ذلك، ها؟
أظن أنه مكتوب هنا أن خبيرًا في الهولوكوست اعترف أمس في محاكمة إرنست تسوندل بأن بعض
expert yesterday admitted at the Ernst Zundel trial that some of his facts on gas
حقائقه عن غرف الغاز جاءت من رجل كان يتفوه بهراء كامل.
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Original transcript (English)
Dr. Raul Hilberg was back on the stand today, where he was called to defend many of the conclusions he's made on the Holocaust during 40 years of research. The questions ranged from the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto uprising, the number who were or were not killed,
to German policy concerning the Jews as the 1941 invasion of Russia got underway. At this point, the defense started cross-examination. At times, this became an intense debate between the witness, a distinguished academic, and the defense, an astute and highly capable lawyer who spent considerable time preparing Mr. Zundel's case.
Defense lawyer Doug Christie asked Dr. Hilberg how he came to the belief that Adolf Hitler personally issued the annihilation order. The doctor replied, Hitler's order was verbal, and thus no one knows the correct wording. It's one of the gaps in history, Hilberg said. To get the evidence of
Hilberg overnight might cost $400. That's how much it costs. Terrible. And now you know why ordinary common people very seldom fight the battle that we are fighting. And what you are seeing here in this room
is just the tip of the iceberg for us. And it was possible because for so many years, so many people, you, all of you have helped in one way or another to make it possible. I couldn't do this by myself. Defense lawyer Doug Christie questioned the fact that the professor quoted a former SS
officer 10 times in a book the professor wrote about the Holocaust. Christie said the officer made what the lawyer called incredible claims, like claiming that Hitler witnessed some gassings and that 25 million Jews were killed by the Germans.
Professor Hilberg admitted he left out the officer's incredible points in his book. Now, there is a headline that I would have wanted to see years ago, but here it is. Expert's admission. Boy, get this, eh? Some gas death facts, in quote, nonsense. Can you believe that, eh?
I think that it says here, a Holocaust expert yesterday admitted at the Ernst Zundel trial that some of his facts on gas chambers came from a man who spoke pure nonsense.
