English transcript

We spoke on October 16th, Avancina and you and John.

Our son, by all accounts, of the witnesses, had his left arm blown off.

When John said that, I realized I'd seen their son being kidnapped.

Four days earlier at the Nova festival site, Israeli soldiers showed me this gruesome video

recovered from a terrorist's cell phone.

That's Hirsch with the bone sticking out of his left forearm being forced into a pickup

truck.

As soon as we got off, I said, I need to call you, um, but I still phone.

To this day, I'm, I am sorry that that is how you found out that I was the one to tell

you that there's this video.

But we were so thankful and it made us know that he was taken alive, that he walked on

his own two feet.

And we also were really grateful that you did it in such a human way.

In this sideways world, when we had the proof that he was kidnapped, that was actually good.