Transcript · English → Spanish
Critique of Zionism and Israeli Policies
El sionismo siempre ha consistido en el poder judío sobre otras personas.
No se trataba de autodeterminación. No se trataba de igualdad.
Siempre fue un movimiento racialmente excluyente.
Fui sionista liberal toda mi vida. Defendía dos Estados.
Era de los que veían ambos lados. Eh, solo llegué realmente a ser antisionista,
lo que es alguien
que dice no solo que Israel tiene problemas, ya sabes,
Gran Bretaña tiene problemas, Estados Unidos
tiene problemas, todos tienen problemas.
Israel no es solo un país que tiene problemas, Israel
es un país que es un
problema. Y creo que ahora que hemos vivido este genocidio,
creo que puede
haber habido otros caminos posibles en algún momento.
Ahora, solo tengo que levantar las manos.
Entonces, ¿alguna vez contempla una solución de dos Estados?
No. No, creo que es impo— es imposible.
Bueno, yo hablo de Maxime Rodinson, un gran investigador francés que hablaba
cincuenta idiomas, y sus padres fueron asesinados en Auschwitz, y él dijo que
lo que no había entendido antes era que la naturaleza colonial de colonos
de este Estado, que consiste en un asentamiento extranjero que llega
y expulsa
a los pueblos indígenas, significa que estos lugares entran
en un estado de guerra perpetua.
No pueden simplemente decir: «Está bien, esta es su frontera,
esta es nuestra frontera», que es lo que
hacen los Estados normales. Son expansionistas por naturaleza,
y esto es lo que hemos visto.
Israel ha conquistado zonas de Siria, del Líbano, de Palestina,
y están diciendo
que queremos ir del Nilo al Éufrates.
Quiero decir, esto es algo bastante común de oír en los
medios israelíes ahora.
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Original transcript (English)
Zionism was always about Jewish power over other people. It was not about self-determination. It was not about equality. It was always a racially exclusive movement. I was a liberal Zionist for my whole life. I was a two-state guy. I was a both sides guy. Um, I only became really an anti-Zionist,
which is someone who says not only that Israel has problems, you know, Britain has problems, America has problems, everybody has problems. Israel is not only a country that has problems, Israel
is a country that is a problem. And I think now that we have experienced this genocide, I think there may have been other paths possible at some point. Now, I just have to throw up my hands.
So do you ever envisage a two-state solution? No. No, I think it's po-- it's impossible. Um, it-- I talk about Maxime Rodinson, who's a great French scholar who spoke fifty languages, and he-- his parents were killed in Auschwitz, and he said that what he had n-not understood earlier was that the settler colonial
nature of this state, which is this foreign settlement coming in and driving out the indigenous people, it means that these places get themselves into a state of perpetual warfare. They can't just say, "Okay, here's your border,
here's our border," which is what normal states do. They're inherently expansionist, and this is what we've seen. Israel has conquered areas of Syria, of Lebanon, of Palestine, and they're saying
that we want to go from the Nile to the Euphrates. I mean, this is a quite common thing to hear in Israeli media now.
