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Ant Middleton, the fight was not worth it, the sacrifice, is Alec Penstone right?

The quick answer to that is yes, Mark, he's right, and I think it goes a lot deeper than

the interview, and I wouldn't expect someone like Adil Ray to understand what he meant,

hence why he went, what do you mean by this? I'd love to have grabbed, you know, Adil Ray by the

1944 on the landing crafts, you know, on the beaches of Normandy, so he could actually see

the carnage and the real sacrifices that these gentlemen made, and also for him to look to his

left and to his right, and realise that they look nothing like him, for him to have the audacity to

say what do you mean, you know, that angered a lot of people, and I think that's one of the

reasons why the video went viral. What was he getting at? Because Jane has texted me about

that, and she said, Mark, surely the worst part of that interview was Adil Ray asking what Alec

meant, how ridiculous. What do you think Adil Ray was playing at when he said that? He was basically

baiting, wasn't he? Let's be honest, like a lot of politicians do nowadays, Sadiq Khan is a great

rage baiter when it comes to that. We all know what he meant, he didn't need to reply to that,

he didn't need to ask that question. Now this goes a lot deeper, as I said, to many veterans,

many veterans will agree with you, if not all veterans, with Alec, many serving personnel,

and I'll probably speak for the majority, or the vast majority, will agree with Alec,

apart from the high echelons of the MOD that are being used as a political tool,

but that's another conversation. But when you look at modern day society, this is what Alec meant,

modern day society, and the sacrifices, you know, of thousands of thousands of individuals,

of Brits, you know, abroad, this isn't on our shores, this is going from our shores to prevent

our shores from being breached or invaded in the first place, to go abroad and to give your life,

and for many of them not to come back and to be buried abroad, the sacrifice,

looking at modern day society, and looking at the invasion of our shores now, you know,

military aged, fighting age males, you know, coming over, undocumented, unchecked, you know,

just being let through our navy, let's call it, you know, our primary line of defence, which