Spanish → English transcript
Roberto, it was being said, it has been said, it has been speculated that Maduro had lost 13 kilos, while his son, on the contrary, was recording a video, Nicolás Maduro Guerra, where he said, you are going to see an athletic Maduro, you are going to see a Maduro who is, let’s say, not happy but calm, you are going to see a Maduro who has been working out.
Others were saying Maduro has gone through a depressive episode, I would really like you to describe his physical condition for us, Maduro’s.
What I have seen, Idaña, has been a completely cowed man, a man absolutely intimidated today by the judge, a downcast man who has remained silent at all times, a man who in that sense was completely cowed, intimidated by the court he was in.
It is a court that imposes itself, the judge is seated higher up with the United States seal in the background and the two flags, one on each side, that is the view Nicolás Maduro had, and he was, of course, without being in custody, but with nervous tics, that we have indeed seen, his legs were shaking all over in a way that drew attention, we journalists even thought that at any moment the judge was going to call him to order because of the way Nicolás Maduro was shaking his legs.
He was shuffling papers constantly, looking for data, looking for information, taking off his glasses, putting them on, taking them off again, putting them on again, drinking water continuously, he had a bottle of water that he practically finished, drinking water, setting it on the table, drinking again, they are nervous tics.
Medically, that is known as a nervous tic and it is what happens to a person when they are subjected to a situation of stress, of tension and above all of intimidation, because today what we have seen is a completely cowed Nicolás Maduro, brought low. He is no longer the swaggering Nicolás Maduro we saw in Venezuela, he is no longer the Nicolás Maduro, of course, who sang, who danced, who defied everyone, but today he is a person who is being tried.
He does not have the guarantees of the law of a state governed by the rule of law like the United States, but he is intimidated and above all absolutely nervous. That is as for his condition during the hearing.
Regarding the physical condition Nicolás Maduro is in, I would say, Idaña, that he has not lost 10–12 kilos, I would say he has not lost that much, nor is he in better shape.
I have seen a Nicolás Maduro who, yes, apparently we could say is thinner, but not much thinner, meaning there is no obvious physical transformation in him.
He is not someone you look at today and whose physical appearance is very different from what it was 3 months ago, before his capture.
He has lost some kilos, I would say not ten, that is relative, but apparently, physically there is no visible deterioration in Nicolás Maduro, meaning he has not lost weight, at least not noticeably.
He is not in better shape either, he is still a person, well, who is not in shape for his age, a person who in that sense has not gone hungry in prison,
because we see that he still has the weight he had when we saw him a few months ago, maybe he is a little thinner, but there has not been a physical transformation.
And as for her, Cilia Flores, she is thin, she was a woman who was already thin before being captured, we have indeed seen her thin, she does not have any signs on her face of that heart condition she is supposed to be experiencing.
She was calmer than Nicolás Maduro, arms crossed, mind you, and as you know, in nonverbal language, crossed arms are a symbol of defense and protection, it is like a self-hug, a way to protect yourself from the outside.
She had her arms crossed, sitting in a more proper way than Nicolás Maduro, who had his legs completely stretched out, and we have seen her calmer.
Him, a man totally nervous, beside himself, stressed out, overwhelmed, and well, I think aware that the full weight of the law could fall on his shoulders.
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Original transcript (Spanish)
Roberto, se hablaba, se ha dicho, se ha especulado que Maduro habría adelgazado 13 kilos, su hijo por el contrario grababa un video, Nicolás Maduro Guerra, donde señalaba van a ver a un Maduro atlético, van a ver a un Maduro, digamos, no alegre pero tranquilo, van a ver a un Maduro que ha estado ejercitándose. Otros decían Maduro ha atravesado por un cuadro depresivo, me gustaría mucho que nos describieras su estado físico, el de Maduro. Lo que yo he visto, Idaña, ha sido un hombre totalmente amilanado, un hombre absolutamente intimidado hoy por el juez, un hombre cabizbajo y que ha guardado silencio en todo momento, un hombre que estaba en ese sentido totalmente amilanado, intimidado por el tribunal en el que estaba. Es un tribunal que impone, el juez está a mayor altura con el escudo de Estados Unidos de fondo y las dos banderas, una en cada lado, esa es la visión que tenía Nicolás Maduro y estaba, por supuesto, sin guardar de coro, pero con tics nerviosos, eso sí lo hemos visto, se sacudía completamente las piernas de una forma que llamaba la atención, incluso los periodistas pensábamos que en cualquier momento el juez le iba a llamar al orden por la forma en la que Nicolás Maduro sacudía sus piernas. Pasaba papeles continuamente buscando datos, buscando información, se quitaba las gafas, se las ponía, se las volvía a quitar, a poner, bebía agua continuamente, tenía una botella de agua, prácticamente se la acabó, bebiendo agua, dejándola en la mesa, volvía a beber, son tics nerviosos.
Médicamente eso se conoce como tic nervioso y es lo que le ocurre a una persona cuando está sometida a una situación de estrés, de tensión y sobre todo de intimidación, porque hoy lo que hemos visto es a un Nicolás Maduro absolutamente amilanado, venido abajo, ya no es el Nicolás Maduro bravucón que veíamos en Venezuela, ya no es el Nicolás Maduro, por supuesto, que cantaba, que bailaba, que desafiaba a todo el mundo, sino es hoy una persona que está siendo juzgada. No tiene garantías de la ley de un estado de derecho como es en Estados Unidos, pero eso sí, intimidada y sobre todo con un nerviosismo absoluto. Eso en cuanto a su estado durante la audiencia. Respecto a la situación física en la que se encuentra Nicolás Maduro, yo diría Idaña que ni ha perdido 10-12 kilos, diría que no los ha perdido, ni está más en forma. He visto a un Nicolás Maduro que sí, aparentemente, podríamos decir que está más delgado, pero no mucho más, es decir, no hay una transformación física evidente en él. No es una persona a la que tú veas hoy y su aspecto físico sea muy diferente al de hace 3 meses, antes de su captura.
Sí ha perdido algunos kilos, diría que no 10, eso es relativo, pero aparentemente, físicamente no se nota un deterioro en Nicolás Maduro, es decir, no ha adelgazado por lo menos notablemente. Tampoco está más en forma, sigue siendo una persona, bueno, pues que no está en forma para la edad que tiene, una persona que en ese sentido no ha pasado hambre en la cárcel, porque le vemos que todavía conserva el peso con el que le veíamos hace unos meses, quizás sí está un poco más delgado, pero no ha habido una transformación física. Y en cuanto a ella, Cilia Flores, sí está delgada, era una mujer que ya estaba delgada antes de la captura, la hemos visto efectivamente delgada, no tiene síntomas en el rostro de esa dolencia cardíaca que estaría experimentando. Ella estaba más tranquila que Nicolás Maduro, brazos cruzados, eso sí, y saben ustedes que en el lenguaje no verbal, los brazos cruzados son un símbolo de defensa y de protección, es como un autoabrazo, una forma de protegerte frente al exterior.
Ella estaba con los brazos cruzados, sentada de forma más correcta que Nicolás Maduro, quien estaba con las piernas totalmente estiradas, y la hemos visto más tranquila. A él, un hombre totalmente nervioso, fuera de sí, estresado, agobiado, y bueno, yo creo que consciente de que todo el peso de la ley puede caer sobre sus hombros.
