Discussion on Political Activities in Turkey

I, too, can send

a group from here to Turkey,

ready to join the movement, understand?

It’s possible. And

I’m in contact with those I have in Istanbul, who are taking part in this

effort.

There’s scope in Istanbul, even in Ankara,

even in Izmir, it’s possible.

In three, four, or five provinces, Adana

is an option for us,

Antakya is an option for us,

Istanbul is an option for us, Ankara is

an option for us. In these four provinces,

implementation under any plan is possible.

Look, I, uh…

am arranging a meeting,

either a Skype meeting or a voice call with Murad Qurayza

or with Jamil Bey. They’re my friends, and I’m with them,

we’ve carried out operations in Turkey,

they know me, and I know them.

Mohammad Diaa Al-Nahoud, we got acquainted through childhood

and youth friendships,

and this is through our experience in, uh, clandestine political

and military work in Turkey. This is very important.

Right, but we wanted to hear the plan—

Yes, a meeting.

The main plan and the plan that—

Yes, this is what I’m telling you about, yes.

I mean, uh, of course there are several possibilities,

This needs a study on the ground,

in Istanbul or Ankara.

I prefer

working in the two major provinces

because it will have a greater impact.

So, focus on Istanbul or Ankara, depending on

the information

we have. It could, uh...

involve police uniforms and security gear

similar to that of the police, as I recall, with

equipment in their hands. It could, uh, create

an incident, create an incident in some way,

but it requires preparing the withdrawal because,

through my experience over these, uh, 35 years of

struggle in

Middle Eastern groups,

from Lebanon to Syria in the eighties

against the Muslim Brotherhood, to Turkey before the eighties,

there is a very important rule:

no one backs out during an operation, while carrying out the operation.

No one can back out again. The most important thing is after

the operation,

you prepare to disappear,

for your withdrawal. If

you ensure complete, strict security,

no one can—this is my experience, this is my experience

throughout, uh, all this time.

We carried out an operation

after '77 in Taksim,

bombing

uh, a hotel,

At the time, it was whether this hotel was considered in the middle of

Taksim, then Marmara or anything else,

the Intercontinental, for example, the Intercontinental Hotel,

which was

what was its name?

During the day, thousands lay on the ground,

and we calmly, still young, not yet 20 years old,

got into our cars, and when we saw people sleeping, it continued for half an hour

on the ground, so we withdrew completely.

Uh, if we want to take contradictions between the lines, in doctrine,

the Quran alongside contradiction

and—and—and make the Quran speak the words of Satan.

Through my political conviction,

and my emotional conviction, I am working, and have worked

in it and am pursuing it,

and carrying out its operations, and am still on the path.

Do you understand me?

“Carrying out its operations,” I didn't understand that.

The members in Turkey,

will be joined by the members I want to send from here, from

a clandestine movement, from a militant movement.

Uh, the young men I have here who are joining us in the battles, I here too

know that they are going out on a mission. This mission

needs to be on the level of

Very important, military and secret, I mean.

Things.

Uh, my groups are ready, they're working.

They're working insi— inside—

These groups—

With you, they're working for you—

Inside and with you.

With me and inside,

With me and inside.

I have actual on-the-ground oversight for

the operational execution of operations that need planning,

What rate gives you insights into things?

Uh...

For example, we've created these, uh...

What are they called?

The Free Syrian Army people,

through several pen names, and now if

If it's useful, keep this information too, write it down,

from the Felicity Party,

Erbakan's people.

Wait, the Felicity Party, Erbakan's people, yes.

And intellectuals who are

fiercely against Erdoğan,

They're trying, if they had an atomic bomb, they'd throw it at him.

I have connections and a very strong network

working against

Erdoğan.

And through my contacts, a different door could open

in terms of writing and written criticism.

Yes, what do you think? Suggest something to me

about what we discussed.

Which one?

Me.

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

Yeah, yeah, nice.

A personal characteristic, I mean.

We also have ideas that young people would like

to implement if they had the opportunity.

My ideas.

He's working on this issue, he's working on this issue.

Of course, you have to take part, I mean, you have to—

Ready, ready. I told you to take part too, I mean, I—

I've noticed that,

Uh,

several parties are trying to get involved

especially,

Uh,

for example, Chechnya, the official Chechen government

wants to send, uh, delegates here.

Mm-hmm.

I don't know if the idea appeals to you

or if you know about—

I don't, I don't have the authority to speak on the matter, I don't have any background

on it.

Yeah, yeah, all right, I'm just, I'm just telling you this information.

That—

And they're requesting a meeting, and they're requesting—

With you, with you personally, I mean?

I have a Turkish writer who is

a writer and is still working, and he went

as a tourist, then received an official invitation to

Chechnya.

And he met with,

uh, the Chechen head of state, what was his name?

Yeah, he sent us his regards the second time, saying

there was an assignment that we could possibly meet and talk, and so on.

Uh, in Europe, I have about four,

Uh, many important people, one in Paris

Match, one at Der Spiegel, one at Frankfurter Allgemeine,

with whom I have ties through

my friendships, ready to work with us, and we have about

ten in Turkey. Uh, this is Hishmet Wahdi, this is,

uh, Tij

Erdoğan, uh, a poet from this magazine and this newspaper

and so on. We also have a group here in Beirut, they will immediately

take practical steps. We've been at this for two months

and we've been postponing appointments, with no, no result.

And I have a range of connections with the, uh,

Marxist left-wing opposition that has ties to Russia

and a strong friendship with Fateh Jamous and beyond.

Good.

Yes, keep your relationship strong with them, but there's no need to show

the relationship between me and them.

Why? Why? We've been together for many years.

Now it's not—no, now it's useful, I mean, I'll send them to you with

the second report.

Did you figure out how, for example,

the report thing on, on Skype?

On Skype?

I have experts in this matter. Skype, I'm not—

He can pull it and put it on Skype, it arrives directly.

Yes, yes, no problem.

Other than this information, for example?

Other than this information, I have, uh, in

Al-Ghazi neighborhood,

Istanbul's Gazi neighborhood has a history of struggle

on the left,

and young people from the Kurdish Qashghari tribe.

Mm.