Discussion on Religious Dress Code

I don't go issuing rulings and saying it isn't obligatory. May God guide us both.

I didn't say it was obligatory. We weren't discussing religion. You're the one issuing rulings when you said

that it—

Wait, one at a time. I can't hear.

You're issuing a ruling when you say it's obligatory. What's your evidence, then?

There is evidence, yes. I can bring you lots of evidence.

But—

Yeah, no, she's telling me to give her evidence. I'll give her the evidence.

Okay.

I'm not going to give you—

Honestly, wait. I don't, I don't like mandatory driving, because I don't like

hospitals, you know.

No, not hospitals. I'm not saying you should ditch the niqab.

You, you, that's it—

No, no, wait, wait.

I wish you were against this. I wish you were against this.

I'm not against this. No, no, quite the opposite.

Quite the opposite, sweetheart, I'm not against this. It's fine. Whoever wants to take it off can take it off, whoever wants to wear it

can wear it.

Okay, now you're saying it's obligatory, after that you're not—

Yeah, I'm not veiled, but I don't go around, I don't go issuing rulings and saying it's obligatory.

About this matter, right or not?

Sweetheart.

You said it was an obligation, this is mandatory—

There is, there is, there—

Listen, listen, one second—

There's a difference between me—

talking about girls who don't have their personal freedom, and you, as someone who has

the freedom to wear what you want or not wear it, shouldn't come and say

that you're neutral.

Okay, you say we want to ban it, but there are girls whose freedom lies in wearing the niqab.

They want to wear it.

Fine, God willing, if we ban it, then they'll demand it, saying that we're

girls who are satisfied. Then, then, once this

brainwashing is over.

Yes, brainwashing. Is it obligatory? I'm not insulting you, it's—

We, we—

One second, one second.

No, apparently we haven't talked about religion at all.

No, um—

What, do you want proof? I'll bring you proof right now.

I haven't brought up religion at all—

You say— No, I—

Obligatory, obligatory, and I told you, what's your proof?

Yes, okay, I'll bring you proof right now. Do you want proof?

Okay, let's go. I hope you reconsider if it were obligatory like that.

Yes, may God guide us all, but I'll give you proof now, I'm not going to give you any—

Proof from, um, Ibn Baz or Ibn Uthaymeen or muftis or—

Scholars. I'll give you proof from Ibn Abbas, may God be pleased with him, the Prophet's cousin.

Um, the interpretation of the verse on the jilbab, when God says: "They should draw their outer garments around them."

Um, okay, what is the purp—purpose of jilbabs?

Wait, let me finish.

My face is pale, I swear, from embarrassment and rushing, I swear.

Wait, it was narrated from Ibn Abbas, um, through سعيد بن Jubayr that—

He sa—he said, interpreting "what ordinarily appears thereof," the face and hands.

Okay.

What do you mean, okay? Meaning, the face—

You.

What? Repeat that, repeat that, I didn't hear you.

It was narrated from Ibn Abbas, may God be pleased with him,

Um—

That he said, interpreting "what ordinarily appears thereof," the face and hands.

Uh, "And do not display their adornment except what ordinarily appears thereof," what ordinarily appears thereof is—

The face, the face and hands.

O—explain it to me properly, then.

Okay, I'll explain it to you properly.

Um,

It was narrated to me by Ali, who said: Abu Salih narrated to us, who said:

Muawiyah narrated to me from Ali, from Ibn Abbas, regarding His words: "O

O Prophet, tell your wives, daughters, and the women of the believers to draw over themselves part of

their outer garments." God commanded believing women, when they leave their homes on

an errand, to cover their faces from above their heads with outer garments.

And reveal one eye.

And this furniture—

But this is dif—different from what you said at the beginning.

How is it different?

You, you didn't say this at the beginning.

How didn't I say—

How, how will they—how will they go out with one eye?

Change what you're saying.

They go out so, so they can see with it. I mean, even the eyes are awrah,

the whole face is considered awrah.

My head. Ah, okay, explain this verse to me: "And do not reveal, do not reveal

their adornment except what appears of it."

Okay, okay, I'll explain it to you now.

Come on, hurry up.

Well, listen, can I, can I tell you a hadith for you to explain to me? Uh, because...

Yes, go ahead.

Uh, let her explain the verse first. Then, the hadith of Asma bint Abi Bakr, may God be pleased with her.

He said:

Peace and blessings be upon him said: "O Asma, when a woman reaches menstruation, it is not

proper for anything of her to be seen except this and this."

What does that mean?

This—

And he pointed, pointed to what?

Uh, wait a minute. Let me finish what I'm saying and get back to you.

Come on, okay.

Uh, the interpretation by the Ummah's great scholar, Abdullah ibn Abbas, may God be pleased with them both

of God's Almighty words: "And not display their adornment except what normally appears thereof," Surah

An-Nur, verse

31: the face, the hands, and the ring. It is the well-known narration that was

reported by, uh, Ibn Abi Shaybah and Abd

ibn Humayd and others, in which he interpreted what appears thereof as the face

and the hands, and what is on them, such as a ring.

Yeah, so what did you understand?

That the face and hands are awrah.