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Thimerosal Controversy in Vaccines

yang belum kuketahui, dan belum ada yang memberitahuku soal itu.

Hipotesis ketiga, itu benar. Itu thimerosal.

Dr. Weil dari American Academy of Pediatrics

berkata, "Kalian boleh mengutak-atiknya

sesuka kalian. Hasilnya nyata. Hasilnya signifikan secara statistik."

Bukan tak terduga, terduga.

Bukan tak terduga. Orang lain seperti, eh, Dr.

Clements dari Organisasi Kesehatan Dunia berkata, "Kita bisa saja memprediksi

hasil ini sebelum k— kita melakukan studi ini,

dan kini kita digantung," dan

seharus—

Kita seharusnya tak pernah melakukan studi ini

kita seharusnya tak pernah melakukan studi ini.

Kini, ilmuwan lain merasa cemas, bukan dari sudut pandang

medis, melainkan dari sudut pandang hukum.

Mereka mencemaskan gugatan hukum.

Mereka cemas orang-orang akan menuntut perusahaan farmasi.

Ada cukup, cukup, um, um,

bukti di sana.

Menjelang akhir diskusi, para peserta

diminta memberi penilaian dengan skala

satu sampai enam tentang seberapa serius temuan ini menurut mereka.

Sebagian besar orang yang memilih, memilih satu atau dua.

Dengan kata lain, tidak begitu serius. Tentu saja, mereka anggota

lembaga kesehatan masyarakat dengan kepentingan pribadi yang besar

dalam program vaksin.

Salah satu yang memilih angka satu adalah ketua panel itu sendiri.

Aku ingat cucu laki-laki ketua panel lahir, eh,

atau pengumumannya

terjadi tepat saat kami sedang berada di tengah diskusi.

Berdiri dan berkata bahwa pada pagi itu,

dia sempat dipanggil keluar ke

lorong

karena cucu laki-laki pertamanya baru saja lahir,

dan mustahil mereka akan memvaksinasi

bayi itu dengan timerosal.

Tuan-tuan, tolong angkat tangan kanan Anda sekalian?

Apakah Anda bersumpah untuk mengatakan seluruh kebenaran dan hanya kebenaran, demi

Tuhan?

Saya bersumpah.

Silakan duduk.

Saya ketua Komite Reformasi dan Pengawasan Pemerintah, dan kami melakukan, eh,

sekitar empat tahun penyelidikan mengenai vaksin.

Saya mendatangkan ilmuwan dari seluruh dunia

da- dan dokter dari seluruh dunia untuk,

eh, untuk, eh, membahasnya di hadapan

komite saya, dan begitulah kami, eh, sampai pada kesimpulan tersebut.

Jika ada keraguan apa pun tentang merkuri dalam vaksin, jika ada sedikit pun

keraguan, kenapa bisa-bisanya kalian terus mengimunisasi anak-anak dengan

sesuatu yang meragukan? Anda tak bisa… Saya tak—beri saya jawaban.

Saya tidak memahaminya.

Sampai saat ini, Anda tahu, tidak ada, kami tidak memiliki bukti,

bukti meyakinkan tentang bahaya dari

thimerosal—

Saya, saya tahu, Dokter

itu karena di dalam, di dalam vaksin.

Tidak, saya mengalah. Dokter, saya paham. Anda sudah mengatakannya, dan saya paham.

Di sini ada Anggota Kongres Burton dari Komite Reformasi Pemerintah, selaku

ketua, yang menyelidiki masalah thimerosal dalam

obat-obatan,

dan mereka tidak memberi tahu komite apa pun.

Bisa Anda bayangkan seperti apa itu?

Suatu hari, mereka rapat tertutup, "Kami menemukan semua efek ini.

Ya Tuhan, apa yang akan kita lakukan?" Esoknya,

bersaksi di hadapan Kongres,

"Tak ada kaitan, tak ada data. Kita perlu meneliti pada masa depan."

Semuanya baik-baik saja.

Jika dia berkata jujur dan mengeluarkan draf dari Simpsonwood tentang

penelitian

itu, bayangkan ada berapa ribu, mungkin puluhan ribu

anak-anak pasti sudah terselamatkan.

Saat kami mengadakan dengar pendapat,

eh, ada seseorang dari FDA yang bersaksi,

dan saya, eh, berkata

bahwa, "Cucu saya disuntik tujuh kali dengan merkuri

di dalamnya, eh, dan menjadi

autis tak lama setelahnya." Dan dia berkata, "Begini,

ti—, tidak ada bukti bahwa hal itu penyebabnya." Dan saya berkata,

"Apakah Anda mau

saya memberi Anda kandungan merkuri di dalamnya, sebanyak tujuh

suntikan penuh? Maukah Anda jika saya suntikkan itu ke lengan Anda?" Dan dia menatap saya

seperti tersentak, lalu berkata, "Tentu tidak."

Dan saya berkata, "Nah, mengapa?

Jika tidak apa-apa cucu saya menerima tujuh suntikan bermerkuri, mengapa

ti—, tidak boleh bagi Anda disuntik satu kali

dengan jumlah merkuri yang sama seperti yang dia

dapatkan?"

Satu bulan setelah konferensi Simpsonwood,

Thomas Verstraeten mengirim email kepada

menyuarakan rasa frustrasinya atas tekanan yang ia hadapi untuk mengurangi risiko

relatif. "Saya tidak ingin menjadi pembela

kelompok antivaksin dan terdengar seperti

yakin bahwa thimerosal memang atau pernah berbahaya, tetapi setidaknya kita harus

memakai argumentasi ilmiah yang kukuh dan tak membiarkan standar kita didikte oleh

keinginan

kita untuk membantah teori yang tak menyenangkan."

Itu pada dasarnya akhir dari masa kerja Verstraeten di CDC.

Begitu mengatakannya, riwayatnya tamat.

Lalu setahun kemudian, generasi keempat dipresentasikan di

rapat komite Institute of Medicine yang diselenggarakan pada

2001. Ada dua pertemuan IOM mengenai vaksin.

Institute of Medicine, yang dikenal sebagai IOM,

dibayar oleh CDC untuk melakukan

dua tinjauan terpisah terhadap bukti terkait vaksin dan autisme.

Yang pertama adalah IOM 2001, dan pada saat ini,

generasi keempat Verstraeten

menunjukkan risiko relatif autisme yang sekali lagi telah diturunkan,

kali ini menjadi

1,52.

Saat Verstraeten mempresentasikan datanya pagi itu di

IOM, dia berkata, "Mulai pukul 08.00 pagi ini, saya tidak lagi bekerja

untuk CDC. Saya sekarang karyawan

GlaxoSmithKline, dan saya akan kembali ke Belgia untuk bekerja

untuk kantor

Brussels mereka." Glaxo, tentu saja, adalah produsen vaksin, menggunakan

thimerosal, dan merupakan tergugat dalam banyak tuntutan hukum.

IOM 2001 menyimpulkan hubungan antara autisme dan thimerosal

masuk akal secara biologis. Mereka menekankan perlunya melakukan

sains biologis

dan sains klinis.

Setelah laporan IOM '01 yang menemukan kemasukakalan biologis,

para pengacara persidangan

bermunculan tiba-tiba dan mengajukan gugatan kelompok di pengadilan perdata,

dan

seperti mengerahkan seluruh mesin litigasi untuk mengincar industri tersebut.

Lalu Eli Lilly mengajukan pasal tambahan pada Undang-Undang Keamanan Dalam Negeri

yang akan memberi perusahaan vaksin kekebalan permanen dari tuntutan hukum.

Sepuluh tahun lalu, perbandingannya satu dari 10.000.

Kini, menjadi satu dari 250, peningkatan 40 kali lipat dalam sepuluh

tahun, dan kita dengan teganya merampas satu-satunya

sarana

milik para orang tua ini untuk menuntut perusahaan farmasi

yang memproduksinya.

Dan Burton tentu saja sangat murka, dan dia mencoba menghentikannya di pihak

DPR, tetapi itu, itu su— itu sudah terlambat saat itu. RUU itu tetap lolos.

Dan ketika tiba saatnya pemungutan suara di pihak Senat, mereka bisa

menolak RUU Keamanan Dalam Negeri tersebut atau menyetujuinya

dengan klausul tambahan dari DPR ini, dan itulah yang mereka lakukan. Mereka,

mereka meloloskannya lewat voting.

Seandainya aku diberitahu, aku pasti sudah ada di ruang sidang

memperdebatkannya dengan sangat

sengit karena kami telah mempelajari masalah ini selama tiga

tahun.

Awalnya, em, banyak orang mengira

bahwa Bill Frist menyisipkan klausul ini.

Dia pemimpin mayoritas Senat, dari Partai Republik saat itu.

Bill Frist punya kaitan erat dengan Eli Lilly dan sebelumnya pernah berupaya

melindungi mereka dari gugatan hukum ini.

Frist berkata, "Bukan, itu bukan dariku.

Hm, sebaiknya Anda periksa ke Gedung

Putih."

Sebelum jadi wakil presiden di era Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr.

adalah anggota dewan direksi Eli Lilly.

Keluarga wakil presidennya memiliki saham pengendali di Eli Lilly, yang

merupakan

kontributor utama kampanye kepresidenan Bush-Quayle.

Pemerintahan inilah yang melipatgandakan lebih dari dua kali lipat jumlah

tiomersal yang terpapar

pada anak-anak dalam vaksin mereka. Putranya, George W.

Direktur anggaran Bush saat itu adalah Mitch Daniels, yang

merupakan wakil presiden Eli

Lilly. Sidney Terrell, CEO Eli Lilly saat klausul tambahan

Lilly

disisipkan,

kebetulan adalah anggota Dewan Penasihat Keamanan Dalam Negeri

George W. Bush.

Dan Gedung Putih berkata, "Bukan, itu bukan kami.

Kami, kami rasa itu mungkin berasal dari Senator

Frist."

Komunitas orang tua langsung meledak dalam rasa

kemarahan bersama.

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Original transcript (English)

that I've not yet recognized, and nobody has yet told me about it. Third hypothesis, it's true. It's thimerosal. Dr. Weil from American Academy of Pediatrics said, "You can play with it all you want. The results are real. They're statistically significant."

They're not unexpectable, expected. Not unexpected. Other people like, uh, Dr. Clements from World Health Organization said, "You know, we could have predicted this outcome before the di- we did this study, and now we're left hanging," and

should- We should have never done this study ... we should have never done this study. Now, other scientists were worried, not so much from a medical point of view, but from a legal point of view.

They were worried about lawsuits. They were worried about people suing the drug companies. There was enough, enough, um, um, evidence there. Toward the end of discussions, the participants

were asked to vote on a scale of one to six how serious they felt these findings were. Most of the people who did vote, voted one or two. In other words, not very serious. Of course, they were members of the public health establishment with a big vested interest

in the vaccine program. One of those who voted a one was the chair of the panel himself. I remember the chair of the panel's grandson being born, uh, or the announcement happening literally as we were in the middle of discussions.

Stood up and said that earlier that morning, he had been called out into the hall because his first male grandson had just been born, and there was no way that they were gonna vaccinate

that baby with thimerosal. Sir, would you all raise your right hand, please? Do you solemnly swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I do.

Seated. I was chairman of the Government Reform and Oversight Committee, and we did, uh, about four years of investigation into vaccines. I had scientists come from all over the world an- and doctors from all over the world to,

uh, to, uh, discuss it before my committee, and that's how we, uh, came to the conclusions we did. If there's any question whatsoever about mercury in vaccine, if there's even a question, why in the world are you continuing to immunize kids with something that's questionable? You can't... I ca- give me an answer.

I don't understand it. To date, you know, there is no, we have no evidence, convincing evidence of harm from the thimerosal- I, I know, doctor

... that's because in, in vaccines. No, I'm gonna yield. Doctor, I understand. You said that, and I understand that. Here was Congressman Burton from the Government Reform Committee, as the chairperson, investigating the issue of thimerosal in medicine,

and they didn't tell the committee anything. Can you imagine what that was like? One day, they're behind closed doors, "We found all these effects. Oh, my God, what are we gonna do about it?" Next day, testified before Congress,

"No links, no data. We need to do studies in the future." Everything's fine. If he had told the truth and pulled out from Simpsonwood a draft of that study, just think of how many thousands, probably tens of thousands

of children would've been spared. When we had our hearings, uh, we had somebody from the FDA testifying, and I, uh, said that, "My grandson got seven shots with mercury

in them, uh, and became autistic very soon, very shortly." And he said, "Well, the, there's no, no evidence that that caused it." And I said, "Would you like for me to give you the content that was in there of mercury, seven

shots full? Would you let me shoot that into your arm?" And he looked at me like he was shot, and said, "Well, no." And I said, "Well, why? If it's all right for my grandson to get seven shots with mercury in it, why is it not, not all right for you to take one shot

with the same amount of mercury that he got?" One month after the Simpsonwood conference, Thomas Verstraeten sent an email to voice his frustrations over the pressure he was under to reduce the relative

risks. "I do not wish to be the advocate of the anti-vaccine lobby and sound like being convinced that thimerosal is or was harmful, but at least I feel we should use sound scientific argumentation and not let our standards be dictated by our

desire to disprove an unpleasant theory." That was basically the end of Verstraeten's tenure at CDC. Once he said that, he was doomed. Then a year later, the fourth generation was presented at the Institute of Medicine committee meeting that was held in

2001. There were two IOM meetings on vaccines. The Institute of Medicine, known as the IOM, was paid by the CDC to perform two separate reviews of the evidence in relation to vaccines and autism. The first was the 2001 IOM, and by this time,

Verstraeten's fourth generation showed a relative risk for autism that had once again been lowered, this time to 1.52. When Verstraeten presented his data that morning at

the IOM, he said, "As of 8:00 this morning, I no longer work for the CDC. I am now an employee of GlaxoSmithKline, and I'll be going back to Belgium to work for their Brussels office." Well, Glaxo, of course, is a vaccine maker, uses

thimerosal, and is a defendant in a lot of lawsuits. The 2001 IOM concluded the link between autism and thimerosal is biologically plausible. They emphasized the need to perform biological and clinical science.

After the IOM '01 report that found biologic plausibility, the trial lawyers came out of the woodwork and were filing class actions in civil court, and were kind of gearing up the whole litigation machinery to go after industry.

And Eli Lilly came along with a rider to Homeland Security Act that would've given the vaccine companies permanent immunity from suit. 10 years ago, it was one in 10,000. Now, it's one in 250, a 40-fold increase in 10 years, and we had the audacity to take the only

tool that these parents had out of their hands to sue the pharmaceutical companies that manufactured that. Dan Burton was, of course, furious, and he tried to stop it on the House side, but it, it wa- it was too late at that point. It did pass.

And when it came time to vote in the Senate side, they could either vote down the Homeland Security bill or vote it in with this rider from the House, and that's what they did. They, they voted it in. Had I been notified, I would've been down here on the floor

debating it very stringently because we've been studying this issue for three years. Initially, uh, a lot of people thought that Bill Frist had inserted this rider.

He was the Senate majority leader, Republican at the time. Bill Frist had major ties to Eli Lilly and had previously attempted to protect them from these lawsuits. Frist said, "No, it didn't come from me. Um, you might wanna check with the White

House." Before becoming vice president under Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr. was a director on the board of Eli Lilly. His vice president's family owned controlling interest in Eli Lilly, who was a

major contributor to the Bush-Quayle campaign for the presidency. It was this administration that would over double the amount of thimerosal children were being exposed to in their vaccines. His son, George W. Bush's current budget director was Mitch Daniels, who

was a vice president of Eli Lilly. Sidney Terrell, Eli Lilly's current CEO at the time of the Lilly rider, just so happened to be a member of George W.

Bush's Homeland Security Advisory Council. And the White House said, "No, it wasn't us. We, we think it may have come from Senator Frist." The parent community just erupted in a unified sense of

outrage

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