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Discussion on Conspiracy Theories and Politics
Kampanye besar diluncurkan pada, um, Desember tahun
1960— Benar… um, untuk mendiskreditkan John Birch
Society, dan sejujurnya, diluncurkan, um, perintah awal datang dari Moskow.
Yah, um, Pak McDonald, saya bukan seorang konspirator.
Um, kurasa Buchanan pun akan menjamin
hal itu.
Um, tapi— Nah, Anda anggota Council on Foreign
Relations. Anda se-…
Um, Robert, Robert Welch, Robert Welch… Tidak, kurasa tidak.
Ya, saya anggota Council on Foreign
Relations. Apakah itu konspirasi?
Dan Anda, yah, Anda tentu saja sudah.
Yah, itu— Biar kuberi tahu apa kata Newsweek
soal itu, begini bunyinya, "John Birch
Society menganggap komunisme hanyalah satu lengan dari sebuah
konspirasi nasional, konspirasi induk di mana orang dalam sosialis Amerika
bersekongkol mendirikan pemerintahan dunia."
Sekarang, tertulis juga, dan ini Direktur John McManus,
yaitu direktur hubungan
masyarakat Anda,
mengatakan bahwa mantan Menteri Luar Negeri Alexander Haig dan
Direktur CIA William Casey adalah dua dari
dalang konspirator yang bersekongkol membentuk
pemerintahan dunia.
Sekarang, apa ka- eh, Anda tahu, pernyataan konyol dan bodoh semacam itu
yang membuat ora- membuat orang menertawakan John Birch
Society.
Begini, Tom, saya yakin sebagai anggota lama
aparatur
Rockefeller,
eh, dan sebagai anggota Council on Foreign
Relations yang sudah lama,
Anda sangat sadar bahwa, ada kelompok inti elitis di negeri ini yang
melihat manfaat mendanai komunisme atau
melindungi komunisme. Benarkah? Tentu.
Anda menuduh saya mendanai komunisme? Bukan, tidak.
Maksudku ada se— Karena kebetulan aku anggota se—, se— Bukan,
ada sebuah
kelompok inti elite… kelompok studi kebijakan luar negeri? Bukan itu… Bukan, bukan. Tunggu sebentar.
Ada kelompok inti elite di negara ini yang telah mendominasi masyarakat
Amerika. Yah, aku bukan salah satunya. Yah, biarkan aku selesai. Komisi Trilateral?
Komisi Trilateral— Council on Foreign Relations…
Council on Foreign Relations. Dan inilah kelompok—
Council on Foreign Relations
tadinya— Yah, mari akui saja. Mereka mendominasi Departemen Luar Negeri selama
40 tahun, dan,
eh, secara cukup terbuka. Baiklah, tetapi apa yang coba mereka lakukan,
Anggota Kongres
McDonald? Yah, tujuan mereka adalah mencoba mewujudkan transisi
bertahap dalam masyarakat kita, sebuah
pelenyapan kedaulatan, dan terus bergeser ke kiri dalam hal
spektrum politik. Nah, siapa mereka? Inilah keyakinannya.
Kelompok elitis yang kusebutkan, khususnya tokoh-tokoh kunci dan
pembuat kebijakan di Council on Foreign Relations— Apakah International Monetary
Fund bagian dari ini?
Kurasa, International Monetary
Fund memang telah didirikan untuk
tujuan memfasilitasi pengalihan kedaulatan itu dan
pengalihan kekayaan menuju pemerintahan dunia. Baiklah, kita memilih Mr.
Conservative. Biar kuselesaikan poin ini—
Baiklah…
karena jika tidak, akan ada banyak pertanyaan yang tak terjawab.
Bahwa Anda melihat kelompok yang telah berupaya mewujudkan
pembubaran kedaulatan nasional menuju pemerintahan dunia.
Dan tentu saja, eh, Anda kenal dengan, eh, Profesor lokal Carroll Quigley, yang
telah menjadi bagian dari klub Anda, tempat dia mengakui semua ini.
Dan dia berkata di bukunya, Tragedy and Hope, "Satu-satunya hal yang tidak saya setujui adalah kita
berusaha untuk merahasiakannya." Dan Anda melihat Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
menulis pada tahun 1947, mengatakan, "Ya, ini adalah kebijakan tersembunyi
Amerika. Namun kita tak bisa memberi tahu publik Amerika
karena mereka terlalu
awam untuk melihat nilainya." Siapa, apa instrumen dari pemerintahan
dunia? Arthur Schlesinger Jr. yang menulisnya.
Apa instrumen yang melaluinya— Pernyataan itu, dari semua
hal yang Anda katakan tentang Arthur, itu pernyataan paling konyol yang pernah
saya dengar. Tidak.
Dia tak pernah menyatakan hal seperti itu. Nah, saya sarankan Anda membaca edisi Mei/Juni
Partisan Review tahun 1947, Tom, dan Anda bisa membacanya sendiri.
Itu disebut Manifesto Schlesinger.
Jadi, itu pernyataan yang menyebutkan ada konspirasi? Oh.
Konspirasi untuk menyebarkan komunisme? Oh, dia tak memakai kata…
Oh, dia tidak memakai kata konspirasi.
Kurasa Count— Dia bilang tujuannya adalah mewujudkan komunisme.
Omong kosong macam apa ini? Biar kuselesaikan. Aku, aku akan beri tahu.
Dia bilang bahwa tujuannya, kebijakan rahasianya,
yang tak bisa kita sampaikan kepada publik
Amerika karena mereka tak cukup paham untuk melihat nilainya, adalah melalui
hasil pengikisan bertahap New Deal, kita membawa masyarakat Amerika
terus ke arah kiri— Baiklah…
dan lewat semacam konsep pembendungan yang jinak,
kita melebur ke pusat vital
sayap kiri sosialis. Itu kata-katanya, bukan kataku.
Baiklah, tapi coba kutanya— apa menurutmu John Kennedy
adalah anggota dari
konspirasi itu? Bukan, bukan. Biar kutanya ini.
Ada orang-orang yang menjadi bagian struktur elitis di
negara ini yang telah
mendominasi negara ini secara terang-terangan selama 40 tahun. Aku tahu, tapi mereka bukan…
Apa itu konspirasi? Tunggu dulu. Tunggu dulu.
Jika orang diam-diam bekerja sama untuk tujuan
jahat,
d— dua orang atau lebih, menurut definisinya itu adalah konspirasi.
Bicara soal itu, kau mungkin dapat— Benar sekali.
Yah, yang, yang harus kulakukan adalah membaca lebih banyak soal konspirasi,
dan itulah sebabnya
aku tertarik dengan apa yang dikatakan Pak McDonald tentang itu.
Begini, kuberitahu apa yang, apa yang harus kaulakukan adalah melihat kembali
ke pendirimu,
Edward Mandell House, karena dia menulis buku Philip Drew,
Administrator.
Dalam hal— Lalu setelah itu apa? … Kolonel House berkata
bahwa apa yang dia bayangkan untuk
dunia adalah pemerintahan dunia berhaluan sosialis seperti
yang dibayangkan Karl Marx. Nah, itu, itulah pemimpinmu— Uh-huh …
eh, Tom, jadi kau harus kembali ke awal
dan berurusan dengannya.
Nah, pemimpinnya adalah Woodrow Wilson. Apa menurutmu dia seorang konspirator
komunis?
Bukan, kurasa Woodrow Wilson, eh, adalah pengikutnya.
Eh, kurasa Edward Mandell House mendominasi
Wilson, bukan sebaliknya.
Mm-hmm. Dan, eh, Edward Mandell House, eh, dia itu, eh, kita harus
perjelas itu. Dia— Kolonel House …
p— eh, penasihat utama Presiden Wilson. Al— alter ego.
Itu benar.
Ya. Eh, jadi dialah, dia penjahat sesungguhnya tempat
semua konspirasi ini, eh— Bukan, tidak, tidak, tidak. … bermula?
Dia tokoh penting, Tom. Tapi sayangnya, ada, dan pernah ada,
di Barat,
sebuah unsur. Ada anggota yang baik di Council on Foreign
Relations,
orang patriotik yang berdedikasi. Dulu ada Sproul Braden, yang
merupakan anggota
Dewan itu, Birch Society— Bill Buckley adalah anggota…
dan Council on Foreign Relations.
Ada orang-orang yang berdedikasi, tapi kekuatan pendorongnya sangat jelas
bersedia bekerja sama, menyubsidi, mengupayakan transfer teknologi demi apa yang
mereka anggap semacam akomodasi dan penggabungan.
Dan menurut saya, ini akan menjadi bencana bagi
Republik Amerika.
Apakah ada di Kongres? Tentu saja.
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Original transcript (English)
A tremendous campaign was launched in, uh, December of 1960- Right ... uh, to move to discredit the John Birch Society, and frankly, launched, uh, initial orders coming out of Moscow. Well, uh, Mr. McDonald, I'm not a conspirator. Uh, I think even Buchanan would vouch for
that. Uh, but- Well, you are a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. You're a- ... uh, Robert, Robert Welch, Robert Welch... No, I don't think so. Yeah, I'm a member of the Council on Foreign
Relations. Is that a conspiracy? And you, well, you have certainly. Well, it- Let me just tell you what Newsweek says that, says this, "The John Birch Society considers communism only one arm of a
national, of a master conspiracy in which socialist American insiders are plotting to establish world government." Now, it also says, and here's Director John McManus, that's your public relations director,
saying that former Secretary of State Alexander Haig and CIA Director William Casey are two of these master conspirators who are plotting to establish world government. Now, what do you s- uh, you know, that kind of silly, asinine statement is
what makes pe- makes people laugh that's the John Birch Society. Well, Tom, I'm sure being a longstanding member of the Rockefeller apparatchik,
uh, and as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations of longstanding, you're fully aware that you, there is an elitist core in this country that has seen value in subsidizing communism or protecting communism. It has? Sure.
You're accusing me of subsidizing communism? No, no. I'm saying that there is a- Because I happen to belong to a, to a- No, there is an elite core ... foreign policy study group? Not that... No, no. Wait a minute. There is an elite core in this country that has dominated American
society. Well, I'm not one of them. Well, let me finish. Trilateral Commission? The Trilateral Commission- Council on Foreign Relations ... Council on Foreign Relations. And here's a group- The Council on Foreign Relations was- Well, let's face it. They've dominated the State Department for
40 years, and, uh, pretty much openly so. All right, but what are they trying to do, Congressman McDonald? Well, their objective is to try to bring about a gradual transition in our society, a
dissolving of sovereignty, and a moving steadily to the left on the political spectrum. Well, who are they? This is the belief. The elitist groups that I mentioned, particularly key individuals and policymakers in the Council on Foreign Relations- Is the International Monetary Fund part of this?
Well, I would say the International Monetary Fund has certainly been set up for the purpose of facilitating that transfer of sovereignty and transfer of wealth on the road to world government. All right, we elected Mr. Conservative. Let me just finish the point-
All right ... because otherwise we're gonna have a lot of un- unanswered questions. That you are looking at a group that has worked to bring about a dissolution of national sovereignties on the road to world government. And certainly, uh, you're familiar with, uh, local Professor Carroll Quigley, who
has been part of your club, in which he admitted all this. And he said in his book, Tragedy and Hope, "The only thing I disagree is that we've worked to keep it a secret." And you see Arthur Schlesinger Jr. writing way back in 1947, says, "Yes, this is the hidden policy of America. But we can't tell the American public
because they're too unsophisticated to see the value." Who, what is the instrumentality of world government? Arthur Schlesinger Jr. wrote it. What is the instrumentality through which- That statement is like, of all the things you say about Arthur, that's the silliest statement I ever
heard. No. He never made anything like that. Well, let me suggest that you read the May/June issue of the Partisan Review of 1947, Tom, and you can read it for yourself. It's called The Schlesinger Manifesto. Well, that's the statement that said there was a conspiracy? Oh.
A conspiracy to promote communism? Oh, he didn't use the word... Oh, he didn't use the word conspiracy. I think Count- He said the objective was to bring about communism. Well, what kind of nonsense is this? Well, let me finish. I'll, I'll tell you. He said that the objective, the secret policy,
which we can't tell the American public because they're not sophisticated enough to see the value, is that through a steady result of erosion of New Deals, we bring the American society steadily to the left- All right ... and through some concept of benign containment,
we merge into the vital center of the socialist left. Those are his words, not mine. All right, but let me ask you- Do you think John Kennedy was a member of that conspiracy? No, no. Let me ask you this.
You have people who are part of the elitist structure of this country that have dominated this country openly for 40 years. I know, but they're not... Is that a conspiracy? Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. If people quietly working together for evil
objectives, w- two or more, that by definition is a conspiracy. Speaking of which, you probably got the- That's right. Well, what I, what I ought to do is read more about conspiracies, and that's why
I'm interested in what Mr. McDonald says about it. Well, I'll tell you what you, what you ought to do is go back and look at your founder, Edward Mandell House, 'cause he wrote the book Philip Drew, Administrator.
In this- And then what? ... Colonel House said that what he envisioned for the world was a world government along socialist lines as envisioned by Karl Marx. Now, that's, that's your leader- Uh-huh ... uh, Tom, so you gotta go back to the beginning
and deal with him. Well, his leader was Woodrow Wilson. Do you think he was a communist conspirator? No, I think Woodrow Wilson, uh, was his follower. Uh, I think Edward Mandell House dominated
Wilson, not the other way around. Mm-hmm. And, uh, so Edward Mandell House, uh, that was, uh, we ought to make that clear. He was- Colonel House ... President Wilson's p- uh, principal advisor. Al- alter ego. That's correct.
Yeah. Uh, so he is the, he is the real villain from which all these conspiracies, uh- No, no, no, no. ... descend? He is a major figure, Tom. But there is, has been, unfortunately, in the West, uh, an element. Uh, there are good members in the Council on Foreign
Relations, dedicated patriotic people. You've had Sproul Braden, who was a member of the Council, the Birch Society- Bill Buckley's a member ... and Council on Foreign Relations.
You've got some dedicated people, but the driving forces have very clearly been willing to collaborate, subsidize, work for technology transfer for what they feel is some type of an accommodation and merger. And I, I submit this would be a disaster for the American Republic.
Are there any in Congress? Sure
