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Um, but, um, you know, I, um, I don't think

that that's the... I don't think that that's

the fundamental... I don't think technology

is the fundamental issue uh, in, in democracy.

Democracy is messy. I mean, you know, democracy

is about contestation of ideas. It's about,

uh, plurality. Um, it's about... ...people having

different truths actually. Now, um, fundamentally,

uh, how society lives together... ...um, civically,

um, in those, in those contestations... ...um,

is, you know, is obviously, uh, is obviously...

...um, you know, quite, uh, quite, uh, you know,

quite tricky. But I think that if we play too

much on this disinformation card, we're taking

responsibility away from ourselves to actually

create a narrative that inspires people to vote

and to believe, uh, you know, in, um, uh, in...

...uh, in democracy and democratic, um, institutions.

And on the institutional part, I think that

we can talk about, uh, institutions... ...as

these abstract things, but institutions are

also about people. And, um, you know, um, you

know, we just heard this... ...this point about

untrustworthy people. And we talked about things

in the United States... ...like, you know, like,

um, checks and balances, which aren't written

anywhere, but are customs. And one man, Donald

Trump, literally came in and just... ...took

that, you know, took that, took that all away.

Um, you know, so, um, you know, so, um... ...you

know, but when I see this, you know, when I

look at this, um... ...you know, um, you know,

uh, more globally regarding, regarding... ...you

know, regarding democracy, I also say to myself,

when was this great time... ...that everybody

got along so well and, you know, things were

going so... ...so great?

I mean, I think, you know, um... ...um, you

know, the, um, you know, I think that we really

have to be careful here... ...in, you know,

in this nostalgia, uh, for a time... ...uh,

you know, for a time past. Because a lot of

the reactions we're seeing in society... ...are

actually reactions to positive, uh, to positive

things. Like, you know, like equality, uh, for

women. Um, you know, uh, and, um, uh, you know,

and greater diversity. Uh, which come with backlash.