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Es gracioso que no tengas ni la menor idea
de lo que estás hablando.
Bien, déjame volver a la historia.
Primero que nada, la mayor parte de lo que llamas Ucrania
nunca ha sido Ucrania.
Parte de ella solía ser Austria-Hungría, como Leópolis.
Parte de ella era—
Es la parte occidental.
Parte de ella era parte de Rumanía.
Parte de ella era parte de Hungría.
Parte de ella era parte de Polonia.
Parte de ella era parte del Imperio ruso
que llamamos como la antigua Novorrusia.
Odesa siempre ha sido rusa, como sabes.
Crimea, Járkov y todos esos lugares
que eran de habla rusa con mentalidad rusa.
Kiev fue comprada en cierto momento
a Polonia por cierta cantidad de dinero.
Así que, como entidad, Ucrania como tal existió
con diferentes fronteras por un período muy corto.
Cuando hablas de los bolcheviques,
la mayoría, muchos de ellos eran de nacionalidad ucraniana.
El bolchevismo era sumamente popular en Ucrania.
Los bolcheviques no eran personas de otros lugares.
En su mayor parte, de los llamados,
ni siquiera se les llamaba ucranianos
porque en la Rusia de aquella época,
se definía a la gente según sus creencias religiosas.
Y se describía a las personas como otros cristianos,
musulmanes, en el judaísmo, y así era.
Luego tenemos a los bielorrusos, a los malorrusos,
y a los velicorrusos.
El término Ucrania es, en cierto modo, bastante moderno.
Cuando las personas a las que te refieres ahora mismo,
nunca se llamaron así, como Philip Orlik,
quien es considerado el primer autor
de la constitución ucraniana,
nunca jamás se llamó a sí mismo ucraniano.
Taras Shevchenko, a quien se considera
el padre de la poesía ucraniana,
decía que escribía sus versos
en la versión sureña del idioma ruso.
La idea del ucraniano moderno
fue creada en Austria-Hungría.
Y eso es extremadamente diferente
de lo que es la historia real.
A lo largo de toda la historia del Imperio ruso,
las personas que venían de Ucrania,
como ustedes llaman a la nacionalidad ucraniana,
ocupaban cargos extremadamente altos.
Nunca, jamás fueron oprimidos.
Nunca, nunca estuvieron bajo condiciones diferentes
a las de, por así decirlo, los rusos.
Había generales rusos,
había líderes políticos,
tenían todo lo que querían.
Y durante la época soviética,
muchos ucranianos ocuparon cargos muy altos
en el buró político,
dirigían la Unión Soviética,
dirigían el KGB, el ejército,
e incluso en el peor momento de esta tragedia
de la hambruna y la gente asesinada,
nunca, jamás, fueron una cuestión de nacionalidad.
En este momento, Ucrania ha sido gobernada
por personas de sangre judía, ucraniana o rusa.
De acuerdo.
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Original transcript (English)
It's funny how you have no damn idea what you're talking about. Okay, let me get back to history. First of all, most part of what you call Ukraine has never been Ukraine.
Part of it used to be Austria-Hungary, like Lvov. Part of it was- It's the western part. Part of it was part of Romania. Part of it was part of Hungary.
Part of it was part of Poland. Part of it was part of the Russian Empire that we call like old Novorossia. Odessa has been always Russian, as you know. Crimea, Kharkov, and all those places
that were Russian-speaking with Russian mentality. Kyiv has been purchased at certain moment of time from Poland for certain amount of money. So as an entity, Ukraine as such existed in different borders for very short period of time.
When you're talking about Bolsheviks, most, a lot of them were Ukrainian by nationality. Bolshevism was extremely popular in Ukraine. Bolsheviks were not people coming from other places. For most part of so-called,
they were not even termed Ukrainian because in Russia at this time, we had definition according to the religious beliefs. And people were described on other Christians, Muslims, in Judaism, and that's how it was.
Then we have Belorussians, we have Malorussians, we have Velikorussians. Term Ukraine basically is in a way quite modern. When people that right now you're addressing to, they're never called like Philip Orlik,
who considered to be the first author of Ukrainian constitution, never ever called himself Ukrainian. Taras Shevchenko, who is considered to be father of Ukrainian poetry,
he was saying that he wrote his verses on the southern version of a Russian language. The idea of modern Ukrainian has been created in Austria-Hungary. And that is extremely different
from what actual history is. Through all the history of Russian empire, people that were coming from Ukraine, as you call them Ukrainian nationality, they were in extremely high positions.
They were never, ever oppressed. They were never, never under different terms that should I say Russians. There were Russian generals, there were political leaders,
they had whatever they wanted. And during Soviet time, a lot of Ukrainians were on a very high position in political bureau, they were running Soviet Union,
they were running KGB, military, and even in the worst time of this tragedy of the starvation and people killed, they were never, ever the question of the nationality. At this time, Ukraine has been run
by people of Jewish, Ukrainian, or Russian blood. Okay.
