Discussion on Saudi Arabia's Legal System

Saudi Arabia follows Islamic law.

Meaning, all its laws are derived from

Islam, from the Quran and…

I mean, in religions—or in Islam, I'm speaking about Islam—that…

It's forbidden. Forbidden means it's something not open to debate.

So—

But could religion one day be separated from the state, as it is in

European countries, with civil law?

Do you believe a day will come when there is civil law?

Meaning, one that allows different sexual orientations.

It could happen, but I don't expect it anytime soon. I mean…

Maybe

there's a two percent, one percent chance it could happen.

So you're not optimistic about that.

No, honestly.

What's your final message? What do you want to say, what is it that you say…

We don't want to leave the program today without saying these words.

Change in Saudi Arabia won't happen

because of one or two people. The entire political system

has to change from top to bottom. I mean,

it's no good if change comes from the head of state or the king

They say, “Okay, homosexuality basically needs a change in oneself.”

The system, the way of thinking, the awareness. It doesn’t work, I mean.

A law, okay, change it.

Do you see yourselves as an exceptional case, or are there many others like you

who want this, to live freely.

Of course there are people.