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Quantum Information and Consciousness Theory

量子信息泛心论是我 与

贾科莫·毛罗·达里亚诺教授

共同创立的理论,他是量子场论 和量子信息专家。该理论始于

量子场 具有意识

并拥有自由意志的观点

因此,与其将 意识和自由意志

也许自由意志甚至不存在, 就像大多数物理学家认为的那样

以及将意识视为大脑的 属性,该理论

倡导并解释了为什么我们 应该将意识和自由意志

作为宇宙开端时 无法还原为物质

或任何其他东西的属性, 它们必须是

宇宙的基元,这正是你那本 《不可还原》的精彩书名

是的,没错

好,为了阐明这一点, 这是一个激进的论断,我

说这是一个激进的说法 并不是在指责你有什么异常之处

那么,你所做出的

假设是什么 从而让你得出了那个

关于唯物主义、物理主义、 信息、量子、生命和意识的最初想法?

你构建该理论的 那些基础想法是什么?是的

首先,这是不可能的

我自己非常努力地尝试 但没有人能够

解释意识是如何

从没有意识的物质中 产生出来的

意识是这样一种属性 它超越了我们所知的任何能量、空间

和时间

它超越了所有这些 属性,因此你无法

换句话说,无法以少得多

所以你必须

从更多开始,当然 一旦有了意识

意识为了能够运作 需要自由意志来采取行动

以一種你所知道的方式看待世界,因 為 它讓場域知道自己想要什麼

如果一個場域知道自己想要什麼, 那它就必須以自由意志行動

這也是我們所擁有的屬性

顯然,我們受限於身體, 所以無法隨心所欲,但是

從根本上說,自由意志意味著 你可以決定要觀察什麼

並將其轉化為一種體驗, 一種有意識的體驗,而且

還能將你的哪些體驗 重新轉化為符號來進行交流

與其他場域交流的可分享符號, 這就是該理論的本質

好,那麼你做出了 哪些假設?

你提到關於唯物主義和 物理主義,沒有人有過一絲

方法能夠

從無意識中產生意識

是的,因此意識必須是 最原始的,你無法解釋

但它可以解释。一旦你接受了 它并非出于自由意志,你就能解释

例如,为什么量子物理必须具备 它所拥有的那些特性。我的意思是, 一个

我相信你一定听过 关于“涌现”的论点

涌现是指,在存在层级的 不同级别上,会产生

不同的涌现原理,这些原理

在较低层级是看不到的, 而强涌现认为

这是不可能的,而弱涌现则会说 我们只是目前还没有掌握相关知识

但两者有根本的区别。一个简单的 例子是原子弹。比如你有

不管多少,比如15.1

公斤的钚,你得到的是一个放射性球 。 而如果你有15.

2公斤,就会发生核爆炸。 这是因为达到了临界值

一旦达到这个临界值, 就会在……之间产生涌现

微小的放射性球体和原子弹 我是说人们会用这个类比

来解释意识是如何从物理大脑中产 生的 是的,没错,但是你

无法创造一个 能够自我认知的存在,通过

一个甚至不知道“知道”是什么意思 的东西

你看,这就是

根本的区别。是的,在某种本体论中 “涌现”是可以解释通的

具有相似

属性的。我们知道,你看, 有会爆炸的恒星

所以你知道所有这些东西已经 存在了,我们可以解释,但是

你如何解释意识的涌现 是来自于没有意识的东西?

如果你能做到这一点,我是说 如果一切都是一种机制

那么你必须找到 解释意识的机制。我是说,你可以

爆炸的机制 是可以被理解的,你知道的

所以,没有任何机制 可以解释一个

本身就没有机制的事物

好吧,那么

你所做的假设是什么 关于……所以基本上,意识

你知道,以意识作为起点的 动机和合理性

和自由意志,是为了让我们能够 解释为什么量子物理会具有

它所拥有的那些疯狂特性。我 是说,任何假设都必须具有

解释力

物理学家们一直无法

理解为什么会出现波函数的坍缩 为什么我们会从

概率走向现实?你知道,以一种 随机的、非算法的方式。为什么这

是可能的?我是说,这 违背了

经典物理学的物理定律,在其中 你可以精确预测会发生什么

决定论是经典物理的 一个方面,你知道,就是

你知道 宏观物体在 时空中运动 但在量子

物理学中 它并不告诉你 发生了什么 它给你的是所有

可能发生的事情的概率

这是一种非常不同的 理论 它能告诉

你关于现实能知道些什么 看那个 它告诉你你能知道什么

认知 认知

认知 意识 认知 它不告诉你发生了什么

粒子的位置和速度 不 它告诉

你位置和速度的概率 事实上 如果它告诉你

位置的概率

它完全不告诉你 速度的概率

量子物理学

确实拥有无人能够 解释的特性 你必须接受

它们本来的样子 那么我们为什么不按本样接受 我们所知道的

因为我们拥有而存在的特性

它们的意识和自由意志 让我们把这些作为基础

并看看它们是否能解释一些事情

这实际上指的是物理世界 事实上,它指的是

宇宙的心智

指的是宇宙的心智,指的是 宇宙中可以被认知的事物

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Original transcript (English)

Quantum information panpsychism is a theory that I created together with Professor Giacomo Mauro D Ariano who is an expert in quantum field theory and quantum information that starts with the idea that quantum fields are conscious and have free will

So instead of having consciousness and free will perhaps free will not even existing like most physicists believe and consciousness like a property of brains this theory promotes the idea and explains why we should start with consciousness and free will at the beginning of the universe as properties that cannot be reduced to matter

and to anything else they must be primitives of the universe Which is the wonderful title of your book Irreducible Yes that's right Okay so to get to that point which is a radical statement I'm not accusing you of anything unusual by saying it's a radical statement

So what are the assumptions that you're making that lead you to come to that initial idea about materialism physicalism information quantum life consciousness what are those foundational ideas from which you build to get that theory Yes first of all it is impossible

I myself try very hard but no one has been able to explain how consciousness could emerge from matter which is not conscious Consciousness is such a property that goes beyond what any kind of energy space time we know

it transcends any of those properties therefore you cannot get more with less in other words So you have to start with more and of course once there is consciousness consciousness in order to be operational needs free will in order to act in

the world in a way that you know because it allows fields to know what they want And if a field knows what it wants then it must act with free will which is also a property we have Obviously you know we are constrained by a body so we cannot do whatever we want But fundamentally free will means that you can decide what to observe

and convert into an experience a conscious experience and also what of your experience to convert back into symbols to communicate shareable symbols to communicate with other fields That is the essence of the theory Okay so what are the assumptions that you're making You said regarding materials and physicalism that no one's had a remote

way of getting consciousness out of non consciousness Yes Therefore consciousness must be primitive You cannot explain it but it can explain Once you accept that it's not in a free will you can explain why for example quantum physics must have the properties that it has Well I mean an

argument that you've heard I'm sure is emergence Emergence says that at different levels of the hierarchy of being there are different principles that emerge that were not seen at the lower levels and strong emergence said it's impossible and weak emergence would say we just don't have the knowledge

yet but there's a radical difference A trivial example is an atomic bomb You have whatever it is 15 1 kilograms of plutonium and you have a radioactive ball You have 15 2 and you have an atomic explosion and so because it reaches a threshold and when that threshold occurs there's the emergence between a

small radioactive ball and an atomic bomb I mean that's the analogy people would use to justify consciousness coming out of the physical brain Yeah yeah but you cannot create something that can know itself by something that doesn't even know what knowing means You see that is

the fundamental difference Yeah emergence is fine within a kind of ontology that has similar properties We know that you know there are stars that explode So you know all that stuff already exists and we can explain that but how can you explain emergence of consciousness is something that's not conscious

If you can do that I mean if everything is a mechanism then you have to find the mechanism that explains consciousness I mean you can the mechanism of an explosion is can be understood you know So but there is no mechanism that can explain something that doesn't have a mechanism

Okay so what are the assumptions that you're making about So basically consciousness you know the motivation and the justification for starting with consciousness and free will is that we can explain why quantum physics has the crazy properties that it has I mean any kind of assumption has to have

explanatory power Physicists have been unable to understand why there is a collapse of the wave function What why do we go from probabilities to actuality You know in a random non algorithmic way Why is that possible And I mean that goes against the laws of

physics of classical physics where you can predict exactly what will happen Determinism is the classical aspect of you know the you know macroscopic bodies the moving space and time But in quantum physics does not give you what happens It gives you all the probabilities of what might happen

And that's a very different kind of theory It can tell you what you can know about reality Look at that It tells you what you can know knowing knowing knowing consciousness knowing It doesn't tell you what happens position and velocities of particles No it tells

you the probability of positions and velocities And in fact if it tells you the probability of positions it tells you nothing of the probability of velocities Quantum physics really has properties that no one has been able to explain You have to take

them as they are So why don't we take as they are properties that we know exist because we have them consciousness and free will Let's take those as fundamental and see that they can explain something that actually refers to the physical world In fact it refers to the mind

of the universe To the mind of the universe To what can be known about the universe

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