Discussion on Government Transparency Issues

So it wasn't just a core group of people that are kind of dedicated

to this subject matter.

And I do think there's an appetite, but not an urgency.

As you've pointed out, I think, very well.

And I think that may be our friend right now,

because you say if there's not

an apparent and immediate relevancy,

then there's not a high degree of urgency.

And that may be buying us some time right now.

And I made some observations to the White House,

and one of the things I said is we don't need a big event.

We need pacing to put this out,

to give people an opportunity to process and think this through.

But I do think people

are bothered by the fact they've been lied to,

and in fact misdirected about this.

I think it's bothered them a lot.

And one of the real frequent comments that I got back was,

oh, Dr. Phil, it's a revelation to you that your government's been lying to you.

That was a wake up call to you? Come on.

But at this level, yeah, I think

it's bothersome that they've gone to this much trouble to lie and hide this much.