Discussion on Policing and Social Issues

It's bad when black people are not treated fairly, right? So it's also bad

when other groups of people are not treated fairly. Correct. That's all I'm saying.

What is not bad is if,

when the police are out doing a pride march,

that they're basically told just, you know,

you have to understand what they're protesting for, you have to understand

that they're doing something a bit different to that march you did last week,

which was Tommy Robinson's mob.

So I think that's what that guidance is about.

That's not what that guidance is about. Well, okay. I'll go away and read it.

How about that? Yeah, that's great. I'd appreciate that.

And also, I have a lot of... I've worked with the police.

Of course. And I've worked with the police federation.

And one of the reasons I do work

with the police is because I think they get treated really badly by the media,

by the public. I couldn't agree more. I was talking to... You saw what I told you.

I was talking to the police guy the other day who is not even in a big city, okay?

He's in quite a small town.

And he told me that in the last week, he'd been spat at eight times.

Well, nobody here thinks that's obviously disgust right?

No, so but my and and and I didn't ask him I didn't ask him.

What was the color of the people who speak?

Yeah, okay But he told me okay.

Okay, and he said there were all but one more white.

Yeah, okay It's a majority white country, of course Yeah, okay But my point is I

could take that if I wanted to and I could build a debate about but that's not what

that's not I know it's not what you were doing I know it's not what you're doing,

but I'm saying the people that we were talking about earlier.

That is what they do That is what's happened in the United States.

And that's why you then end up with our souls like Pete Hexworth

Removing the pictures or people like,

you know, why have we brought Pete Pete say we're talking about Britain.

Yeah We're talking about our DEI in this country.

Okay, we're talking about this country right about populism

in this country We're talking about this country, right?

The only point I made you didn't stop me talking about Germany

I just don't,

the issue is that people always go to Trump or head ex ex or other people.

Because they're so powerful in our debate.

We're just talking about policing in this country and other

areas where there hasn't, you know, the BBC has

internships for only non white people, etc. Like this has been going on.

We started with woke. Remember, this is how this bit of the conversation started.

It's not a, look, there's

probably some people who use it as a catch all phrase in the same way, by the way,

that people on the left use the word racist as a catch all phrase to describe

people who are actually racist and also people who oppose mass immigration.

There are some people who do that, right?

Just because some people use a

word inappropriately doesn't mean that that word is wrong.

So I gave you a definition of the word.

Let me just jump in there, though.

You're saying it's left and right and it's sort of both sides, isn't it? It is.

I don't think you have that.

So let's say there is a media of the left.

A media of the left? A media of the left, say Guardian, Mirror, etc.

They don't do that.

What? I don't think they do that.

Was the media of the right do that in relation to woke?

Alistair, the media of the left and the people on the left and the influencers

and the political figures and commentators,

including people like David Lammy,

called conservatives who were pro Brexit,

now Francis and I both voted Remain, okay, they called them worse than

Do you remember David Lammy said the ERG are worse than Nazis?

No, I don't remember that.

He did that on the Andrew Marr Show.

We'll put a clip in here. Okay. Right?

By implication, you're comparing the ERG to the Nazi party, or at least to the

South African racists.

Now, whatever you think about the ERG,

that was an unacceptable comparison, wasn't it?

Andrew, I would say that that wasn't strong enough.

People on the left and people on the right use these

terms in order to smear their opponents and to misrepresent the debate.

That's what they do. Okay. That's what everyone does.

So what we're saying, what you're saying, essentially...

Is something else. No, what you're saying is they're both as bad as each other.

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying, I think, is that these people have

more power in this debate than these people. That's what I'm saying.

The right wing media has more power than the left wing media.

The right wing weaponization of their definition

of woke has had way more cultural influence than any of these people have said.

Some people might

argue that's because it's accurate to what's happening on the ground.

When new institutions are infested with DEI,

when British history is being denigrated.

We're recording this before the Norway game, right, England playing Norway.

The Norwegians walk around in helmets, right? With the horns. Right.

But hold on a second.

The Norwegians are walking around in helmets,

which is a throwback to the Viking Age.

Vikings, as you well know, were pillaging, including this country, right?

No one is asking them for reparations.

British people are being told they need to pay reparations all day, every day.