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I used to follow Shaykh Salah Al-Fawzan in my early 20s.

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I used to follow him. I've got his Sharh of Zaid Al-Mustaqna at home.

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He's actually got a very good Sharh of Zaid Al-Mustaqna.

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It's nice, it's easy to read, and his Fatwas on Hanbali Fiqh were not bad.

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However, I started realizing a couple of things.

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I used to watch his Fatwa programs every day, every other day.

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And there was a point where I just kind of, I'll be honest, became disillusioned, and I'll tell you what happened.

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The point was, and it was to do with the politics, unfortunately, right?

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What happened was this. I watched one of his Fatwas, and it was at the height of what was going on in Syria at the time.

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And people know that, like, at that time, brothers, the Syria thing was as big as the Palestine thing.

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We were all so emotionally invested in it, especially in, like, West London.

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The Syrian people were getting massacred, we saw it.

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I had friends of mine who actually went and joined the Takfiri groups and died in Syria.

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So there was a lot of commotion in the area, like in West London, etc.

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So I used to follow Shaykh Salah al-Fawzam, and in the height of the Syrian situation, someone asked him a question.

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And his answer made me change my whole opinion of him.

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Okay, and I remember, Wallahi, I remember exactly this point.

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And then the second point I decided that he was being, he's not independent, basically, that was my decision.

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And then it was actually, I'll be honest, it was a transformative moment for me.

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The first time was, they asked him about Bashar al-Assad.

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Now, Bashar al-Assad is Alawi, right? So even the Shiites would make Takfir, they would make excommunication of Alawi, like Bashar al-Assad.

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They asked him about Bashar al-Assad, can we make Takfir of him?

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And then Salah al-Fawzam, Shaykh Salah, he said, we can't make Takfir of, Takfir is a big matter.

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We can't talk about Takfir this easily, etc., etc., blah, blah, blah.

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Now, I had a bit of, I swear to God, and I'm not just making this up, Wallahi, as I heard him say that, and I'm seeing people get killed in Syria and stuff, and whatever, I had something in my heart that was like almost a shock.

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Do you know when you're told something from someone, is he actually saying this?

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Then I said, maybe it's just I'm misinterpreting it, maybe there's some wisdom in what he was saying.

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I was making an excuse for him in my mind.

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Then he was asked about Yemen, bro, okay?

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He was asked about Yemen and the Houthis, and then he says, هؤلاء الذين... I remember actually exactly what he said by word.

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He says, هؤلاء الذين يدعون الإسلام. When he started speaking about the Houthis, who are Zaydis, right?

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He said, these people who claim to be Muslim.

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So wait, the Zaydis who are actually way closer to Ahl al-Sunnah wal-Jama'ah.

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Essentially, you might as well call them disbelievers, all right?

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But then, هؤلاء الذين... Sorry. But then Bashar al-Assad, no, the matter has become convoluted.

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So the point I'm making is that, to be honest with you, bro, I started to realize that they're not independent, and it was a harsh realization for me.

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And then, because if they're not independent, then why do I need to follow that then?

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I have to now start looking myself at the evidences, or going to other scholars and seeing other people from all over the world.

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And that's when I started to look at Sa'ad al-Kamli, for example, in Morocco, or al-Dada' al-Sharqiti, for example, in Mauritania.

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And I started to grow a greater affinity to those scholars, because I found that they were speaking, especially in the case of al-Dada', they were speaking more truth, and they seemed to not care as much.

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That was it. They were speaking... They seemed to be more independent.

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And their knowledge was as good, if not better.

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And I personally believe it is, sorry to say, much better, in terms of certain memorization and stuff like that.

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Um, that's it. That's how I transitioned.

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I mean, um, in terms of that, but some people will be very upset with this.

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And I understand where you're coming from, but the fact is, I'll be honest.

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Uh, that's just my, that's my authentic position.

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This is something I determined by myself before probably I even became famous.

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This is something I, you know, determined by myself and that's what I believe.

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And so I agree with the sentiment, bro, that the present day scholars, a lot of them, but I have to also say some of them are very good and some of them I've met their family members.

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Uh, and I, and I find that they are sincere.

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So for example, she has thought of him when I did.

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So she has thought of him when I did, who is the most truth of, uh, of Islam Q and A he, I believe he's in jail.

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I believe this man is sincere. I respect this man.

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I might not agree with the way he does FIQH and whatever, and all that stuff.

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Wallahi, I respect this man. And I, he's because of mawakif, what mawakif, for example, his son, someone killed his son, I don't know if you know about this situation.

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Someone killed his son in Saudi Arabia, his own blood son, and guess what he done?

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He forgave him. He could have gotten him executed as well, but he, he exercised that forgiveness thing.

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This shows you, Wallahi, a man of character.

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And when it came to the Syrian situation, he was, he didn't care about anybody.

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He was on a TV. Wallahi, I have so much respect for him.

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So someone like these people, I'm not trying to brand everybody the same, but if you lose your independence, like A'id al-Qadni, for example, who had to basically come on the TV, groveling and apologizing, I can't respect this brother.

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I can't respect these kind of group of scholars.

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I'm sorry to say, if you're being controlled by politics, I can't, you want me to follow that?

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Why should I? This is the question. Why should we, why should I tell my family members to follow a man who's not independent or men who are not independent, who are basically beholden to state interests?

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I have no reason to be beholden to any state interest.

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So that's number one. Um,

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