Debate on Indus Waters Treaty and Regional Tensions

He's laughing because I can

Otherwise, I will walk away from this interview

No, you don't have to walk away

I have

no reason. You

Victor, I-

You leave Mr. Nelson

You, you must not walk away because I'm not

finished with you.

Just one minute please. Abhijit, Abhijit is on.

Let your guest be decent.

My-

Let them have their air rather than interrupting

You are right. Let my guest be decent, therefore I ask you, Victor, please be

decent. My question is to you, Victor,

that you spent all of last month in Pakistan.

The Pakistani government paid for your flight, for your stay.

They-

I will be in Pakistan again in a month

... they put you up in a five-star hotel.

The ISI took care of you and told you to give interviews

about how India is troubling Pakistan over the Indus

Waters Treaty. We told you, we are not going to do to Pakistan

what you have done to Nepal.

Even today, right, Abhijit? We are not doing this to Pakistan.

We are considerate. We are not doing this.

Uh, it's disturbing the ecology to a point,

but, but Victor

is only afraid because he must admit-

Pardon?

See, Abhi- Abhijit, the Chinese themselves are saying

that this deep

cutting the mountain shelf, despite warnings, has

led to a near seismic event, which has led to a large

glacial and rock avalanche collapsing into the upper Lende

Kola, sending millions of tons, billions of tons of ice and

rock into the river channel and triggering this

flash flood situation.

Pardon?

There's no other reason possible.

Can I, can I just first-

Abhijit

... can I first just take strong exception-

Yes

... to the gentleman saying this has nothing

to do with India.

300 Indians are dead.

Yes.

So you know this, uh, the sheer callousness of saying-

India is not as concerned as Nepal is for their death

Sir, please don't interrupt me. Don't interrupt me

India can't even wait two hours

You're the one, you're the one protesting against people

interrupting.

Now, the sheer callousness of saying that India-

Sir, you are now

... has nothing to do with this, we're a lower riparian power.

We have everything to do with this.

And Indians, in their hundreds have died.

As, as I understand-

Let the Chinese and Nepal deal with the disaster first

... more Chinese and Sikh were again, he's interrupting me

... rather than try your best to interfere-

He's, he's again interrupting me

... in rescue effort

He talks about manners. He's got none himself.

So, you know, the, the, these standards, "Oh, China is

affected." It affe- uh, therefore, China has a right to interfere,

but Indians are killed, India has no right to, uh, talk about it.

This is the classic double speak of everybody trained who has dreams and

ambitions of growing up in the CCP, uh, hierarchy.

Congratulations to him. The point remains, have we done any

diversion works or any building, even after we suspended the Indus Water

Treaty? Have we done any infrastructural change

in the Indus Water Treaty with Pakistan? The answer is no.

Have they?

They, they dam, blow, uh, uh, uh, obj,

o- obstruct, change, uh, uh, the landscape

everywhere in Tibet.

Every single square inch.

So what are they on about?

They themselves admit that the rare earth mining in Tibet can't

happen without a

adequate supply of water.

Then they want us to believe-

Let me add a point

... that, you know, water is not being diverted.

Let me add a point.

Let me add a point. Your prime minister openly threatened not

to

let a single drop of water in the Indus River to flow into

Pakista- Pakistan. This is for the record.

Now, I've declared openly for the

mid-range country of the Indus River to deny water to

the lower, uh, reach, uh, people in Pakistan

will be a war crime in times of war, and will be a crime

against humanity in times of peace.

You know, uh-

Our view from it

... Abhi- Abhijit, I want to expose Victor Gao at this point

You know, this is all-

At this point I want to expose Victor Gao

Prevent the flow of water into Pakistan

He has never... No, no, this man is lying

I want to expose Victor Gao very badly

This man is lying

What I said

Modi has never said

India has not threatened

Modi has never said that

Abhijit, do I have your permission to expose Victor

Gao?

Come on. Come on.

Do I have your permission-

Your prime minister

... to expose Victor Gao?

For the record

How dare you guys

Mr. Gao, you have never condemned the

Samar, Samar, can I-

Never

Do I have your permission also to expose Victor Gao?

And what you've done in Nepal, is this not a war crime?

No, no, I'll tell you what he has done.

Now I will say something which will expose him

completely. It is entirely possible, Abhijit and Samar,

that he might sue me.

You are not talking in the English language right now

It is entirely possible that he might run away from my

program. It is entirely possible that short of a

heart attack, anything can happen to him on my program.

Victor Gao went to Pakistan, Abhijit, and do you know what he said?

He said,

"We will use our rivers

and weaponize it

to attack and target India."

He said-

Holy cow, you put your words into Victor Gao's mouth

He said in Pakistan-

Anna

He said in Pakistan-

You put your words into Victor Gao's mouth

He said in Pakistan, "I have the power to deal with rivers

originating in Tibet."

He said that, "Don't worry, there are rivers originating in Tibet."

And he said, "India should not forget

that the Indus River system starts in the Tibetan

Plateau."

And he said, "We are in the-"

Himalaya, Himalaya

"You are low downstream. We are, we are with the...

" And he said, he said, "You know, I will quote Confucius,

'Don't do other- unto others what don't want others to do

unto

you.'" Which means he said to India that, "I will kill

people in India with water."

And that's, that's what a weak-

Anna, you put your words into my mouth

He said he threatened to-

Come on. Wake up

He threatened to you, "Weaponize water against India"

But unfortunately-

Wake up

... and that is what you've done. How do I know you've not weaponized water

against

the people of Nepal? Because that is what you said in

Pakistan, Victor.

This is your article. Tell everyone in India

Shame on you

"Don't do unto others what you don't want others do unto

you"

You said it. Yeah, you said it. Admit it

Confucius said 2,500 years ago.

Keep that in mind. Don't do unto others-

You tried to threaten us. You see, now it's true color