Refereeing Errors and Claims of Favoritism Toward Barça

And in Barça's locker room, when you hear that, uh, the referees are rigging the league so Barça will win, when, um— I think that harms football. I think that doesn't...

Um, we should try to avoid that kind of rhetoric, right?

I think football is a bit above all that.

We're all human and we all make mistakes, right?

Some days you're doing well, some days you're doing badly, and sometimes you are harmed and other times you... And I like to think that way, right? I like to think that way.

Sure, but people will say, "Sure, say that when you, uh, when they— when they, penalize you over two opposing sendings-off that they haven't, that they haven't punished."

No, I'm not saying you shouldn't speak out about it.

No, without a doubt. I mean, my position is: hey, the referee made a mistake.

Yes. Yes, he made a mistake. And nothing happens.

But that doesn't mean this is set up for that referee to make a mistake.

Absolutely. That's why I'm telling you that there, uh, it's fine to defend your club and what— and defend your position.

In fact, I've done it a few times, but only up to a point, right?

It's clear that... But on that point, I'm telling you no, I don't think so.