Discussion on Islamic Teachings and Gender Issues

Things like marital rape don't exist within the confines of Islam.

Um, things like consent don't exist within the

confines of Islam.

Uh, m- m- c- let alone what the kind of understanding

we have of it now.

Um, so you've got a huge problem in terms of,

you know, a, a massive culture

clash, and a massive cl- clash of values altogether in terms

of how they view women. But the issue is, it goes back to

indoctrination. So you've got, let's say, young men who have, you know,

absolutely no regard for a woman's body or autonomy or agency,

um, and they think that, you know, for example,

a woman sitting with her legs open

is asking for it, quote-unquote, or if you're wearing a miniskirt,

you're asking

for it, quote-unquote. But then the other side as well is

that you've got this

propagation of, um,

Muslim women who, again, have been indoctrinated from such

an early age to think that they need to be covered up,

and anything less than that

is also them inviting this to happen.

And so they, again, as a believing Muslim woman,

you're going to want

to cover up and not take part in this moral sin.

But what it does is it reinforces the belief that these men have, that they

should only be seeing women who are covered up,

and that's the only way that they

can respect them. I mean, we know that even in Islamic countries,

when women are

covered from head to toe, there's still sexual abuse

and sexual violence that goes

on. I've seen it firsthand in Mecca itself,

which is the house of

God. Um, but yeah, you've got this kind of Stockholm

syndrome almost happening with Muslim women as well, which are

reinforcing the beliefs of these Muslim men or men coming from Islamic

cultures. So yeah, I think that it's no, it's no surprise that when

people with such starkly different, and I would say

diametrically opposed views come into the country, you're gonna see a

rise in all kinds of sexual violence.

It's, it's interesting to me that same, so often the custodians of

tolerance, the people who really want to push the

agenda that we mustn't be

racist, we mustn't be xenophobic, we mustn't criticize different

cultures or religions, are so often middle-class white

women. And I think to myself, if they understood some of the things

you've been saying, they wouldn't do this.

Do you think that they have got Islam wrong?

They've definitely got Islam wrong.

One of the things that's mentioned in this video by this woman who is an

ex-Muslim is that girls are indoctrinated very young

to get them used to this belief of being a Muslim and going along with

these strict rules. So that got me really thinking, how early

on does this indoctrination start?

It looks like in Islamic countries, when a child is born to Muslim parents,

there

is no baptism or anything like that.

The child is automatically assumed a Muslim, and that is

from birth. But when does the actual teaching start?

It looks like basic Quran reading starts at age four, so that is

very early on. And then right here, public school

Islamic studies begins at around age six and seven, and this

is grade one. It looks like children start to pray at

age seven, and fasting and prayer is encouraged at age

seven as well, and it is mandatory after puberty.

It looks like the hijab is required after puberty,

unless you're in an Islamic

country like Afghanistan that is run by the Taliban.

The Taliban will introduce this covering to little children to get

them used to it. So to answer the question is they are born

technically a Muslim, and then they start getting read the Quran

at

age four, and then they start doing prayers at age

seven, and

age six is when they start Islamic teaching in schools, and then they

are required to wear Islamic clothing as soon as they hit puberty, and even

earlier in some stricter Muslim countries.

So yes, the indoctrination into these rules is

extremely early on, and it is extremely

intense.