Discussion on Stratospheric Aerosol Injection

array of technologies, often referred to collectively as

geoengineering, that potentially could help reverse the

warming effects of

global climate change.

One that has gained my personal attention is stratospheric aerosol

injection, or SAI.

Our own government has been involved for decades, spraying chemicals into the air

with no regard for the people those chemicals could be hurting.

A method of seeding the stratosphere with particles that can help reflect the sun's

heat, in much the same way that volcanic eruptions do.

An SAI program could limit global temperature increases, reducing

some risks associated with higher temperatures,

and providing the world economy

additional time to transition from fossil fuels.

This process is also relatively inexpensive.

The National Resou- Research Council estimates

that a fully deployed SAI

program would cost about $10 billion yearly.

This is absolutely happening, and it's basically now openly admitted,

even though you're getting kind of pushback from the EPA,

but I don't think it's

intentional. What I discovered around starting in 2007,

I was working in bio-environmental engineering in the Air Force,

and like I had

mentioned previously, I tried to debunk this.

And in the attempt to debunk it, I realized, as somebody who

was approving forms

called Air Force Form 3952s, I had to reject

these toxicants on, formerly known as an MSDS, now an

SDS, because they're the very same toxicants we

were trying to

engineer out of the workplace. So why would be, we be procuring

more? So-

Hmm

... lots of soil sampling, air sampling.

Once I got threatened, I knew I'd found something, and it's,

it's very much

happening. In fact, when I finished my master's around 2015,

it was in

in one of my environmental textbooks that they were doing it.

So I, it just, it's a shock-

Really?

... to me that people still think it's not

happening. Yes.

Yeah.

I, I sold the book, but I wish I still had it.

A- and we can all see it, if you, if you look up,

and it just doesn't make sense,

you know, that it's coming from-

Mm-hmm

... like a Delta flight flying overhead.

So your role in the Air Force, if I'm understanding it correctly, was

basically to approve these flights long before

takeoff, and eventually you just said, "No, I'm not gonna do this anymore."

Is that

accurate, broadly?

Well, it wasn't approving the flights.

So when you're using hazardous materials, you have to track them from cradle to

grave, use and disposal. So when I was in the Air Force, I'm basically,

um, OSHA and EPA, but in the military.

Okay.

So I had to make sure that we were keeping workers safe.

So we had to understand what we were bringing on,

and how could it affect human

and environmental health.

As promising as it may be, moving forward on SAI would also raise a

number

of challenges for our government and for the international community.

On the technical side, greenhouse gas emission reductions would

still have to

accompany SAI to address other climate change effects, such

as ocean acidification, because SAI alone would not

remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.

On the geopolitical side, the technology's potential to alter

weather patterns and benefit certain regions of the world at the

expense of other regions could trigger sharp opposition

by some nations.

Others might seize on SAI's benefits and back away from their

commitment to carbon dioxide reductions.

And, as with other breakthrough technologies,

global norms and standards are

lacking to guide the deployment and implementation of SAI

and other geoengineering initiatives.

Now, I could go on and on and on and on about the things that

fascinate me, but rather than talk about them,

I thought I'd stop here

and start the conversation with Judy, and then I can take some of your

questions. I th- very much appreciate the invitation to

come back here in

the Council on Foreign Relations.

And as I say to all the groups I speak to, it is a tremendous honor and privilege

every day to be referred to as the Director of Central Intelligence Agency.

I lead an organization full of patriotic men and women who take great risks

and put themselves on the front lines in order to keep their fellow Americans safe

and secure, and to do what they can to keep this

country's security

secure. Thank you so much.

People will say to me, they're like, "Well, you know, we don't think this is

happening." If this isn't happening, why have multiple states passed

laws banning weather engineering, including Florida, including

Texas? Can you explain that?

Yeah, that's exactly it. Um, I know a lot of people have taken the

angle of,

"Because people still don't believe it."

Even if you don't believe it, there's people that

are trying to take action saying,

"Look at what they're claiming." Because when the government claims that they're

gonna do something, they're already doing it.

And they're trying to say, "Even if you don't believe it,

would you want it to

happen? It has these human and environmental impacts." So,

yes, and there's a lot of those legislators

have reached out to myself and Dane

Wigington over the past couple years.

Yes.

So they have the information and the, all the government documents that are on

GeoEngineeringWatch.org.

Biggest question, in your opinion, why is this being done?

And again, it might not be EPA, could be DARPA, could be War Department,

could be

private companies, but why are they doing this?

I think there's a multitude of reasonings.

You control the weather, you can handicap many people.

We did it flooding the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

But when you have this huge climate change initiative, we needed to find

ways to dim the sun and, and decrease the solar load.

So this is

fear-based, and I also think it's financially

incentivized through

betting on crops and, again, handicap- handicapping anyone

in war.

Yeah, so it kinda takes away the organic from

anything organic you're buying,

because this is then sprayed into the air and then it, and gravity brings it down.

Eventually the rain brings it down, and it, and it is all over all of us.

Um, what are these crops doing to people?

Or, I'm sorry, these chemicals doing to people?

Well, a lot of them are heavy alkaline metals and salts,

and what they do, again,

is that synergistic toxicity. You're breathing it in.

You have the dermal absorption and in inhalation.

And it does depend on relative humidity and different weather patterns.

Like, I live in Michigan, so we have all seasons in the same day.

Right.

The dissipation rates are faster.

When you ingest that, it is eating away at your gut health.

And the thing is is when they're using strontium and barium,

those things

bioaccumulate in the bones, and it also displaces potassium.

And if anyone's ever had low potassium, you know that causes a massive issue with

your nerves and your heart, and it can mimic a heart attack.

So we're getting massively bombarded because, again, different routes of

exposure, and, depending on where you live,

you can be more

exposed already because you have background elements in your drinking

water.

Jeez, it's so scary. Um, Kristen, we appreciate you being with us again

tonight.

Thank you. Look forward to having you back.

Kristen Megan, again, one of the only people willing to talk

about this publicly.

Thank you