Discussion on Migrant Crisis in Spain

We're looking at images now on screen, aren't we,

of those images there from the Spanish territory,

Dean Morgan.

These are migrants who, we understand,

some have swum across into the Spanish territory.

Others are running down the beaches.

What do you make of that?

And is there a chance they might be able to get to the UK, I suppose,

through small boat crossings? I mean, because they can't cross legally, I suppose.

Well, no, because they would have to go to the British High Commission or embassy,

submit an online application and pay a fortune, you know, to enter the UK illegally, you know, sorry, legally.

So, I mean, obviously, if they're breaking into Spanish territory, it kind of suggests what would happen next.

I mean, obviously, this situation is only getting worse over the last few decades.

And you raise a really good point about the European Human Rights Convention.

I mean, if we go back in history, Tony Blair enshrined that, if I'm not mistaken, into British law.

And we were the only EU member state that had actually done that.

Now, his wife was one of the most preeminent human rights lawyers at the time, and I'm not suggesting any impropriety.

Having said that, obviously, she benefited greatly from it.

So why are we still, you know, part of this legal framework?

When we had Brexit, the British people were told that all of this would come to an end

and we would have jurisdiction over our own laws and our own territory.

So why can't Parliament change? the law.

Why can't the Lords ratify that? We're not part of Europe anymore.

Sorry, I don't understand what legally is stopping us from doing whatever is necessary.

The point is we do have power over laws. It's up to Parliament to repeal laws which give powers to judges to stop the migrants being deported.

Again, the powers are in the hands of our elected leaders. That's what Brexit was about.

But is the will there within Labour, whether Tories or Reform or whichever party, Lib Dems, to deal with the crisis once and for all?

Well, look, actions speak louder than words.

And, you know, we have the same situation with the border now that we've had forever.

So, I mean, again, unless we see action, we have to assume that, you know, those that are in power have no issue with what you're reporting on daily.

Yeah. Well, Dean Morgan, the Director of First Migration, thank you for joining us discussing those troubling scenes,

I think, from Spain. And, of course, sad news overnight with deaths in the Channel and more legal migrants crossing. Thank you for joining us today.