Discussion on MKUltra and Historical Investigations

Is it in your expert opinion that Jack Ruby and Manson were assets of the intelligence

agency specifically pertaining to MKUltra? Were they MKUltra victims?

Yeah. Theoretically, Manson, I've never been able to prove absolutely.

Jack Ruby, I believe, this is something else. The Warren Commission investigation

on the Warren Commission was Alan Dulles, the former CIA director,

who authorized and ran MKUltra until he was fired by President Kennedy.

The liaison to the committee for the CIA who handled the information coming from the CIA

back and forth to the Warren Commission was Richard Helms, who was a direct supervisor

of Jolly West. They knew who West was. They knew what West was capable of and what they

had paid him to do and what he had reported to them that he could do, including inducing

mental disorders in people. That was never disclosed to the commission as far as anyone

knows. I believe that West was put in there to keep Jack Ruby from telling his story.

Wow. In closing, I just want to thank you all for being here today. We will be following up

Dr. Kinzer on your requests to fully redact. I'll be following up personally with the director of

the Warren Commission. I did want to just state that for the record in regards to what statements

were made earlier regarding the German government, we will also be following up on that.

If there are indeed people that were victims of this that have been buried, we would like to know

who those people are and who their families are as well in order to correct the historical wrongdoings

of this government. Without further ado, I would like to state that all members have five

legislative days within to submit materials and additional written questions for the witnesses.

That will be then forwarded to them. If there are no further business without objection,

the task force stands adjourned.