Discussion on Ecumenism and the New Mass

Sacrifice. And as I'm sure Father knows, when they concocted

this new mass, they had six Protestant

advisors who took a very active part in the deliberations.

N-

sorry, I'm taking up too much time, but I'll give Father Chin a-

No, no, you're doing fine.

One of the things that annoys me i- is, is there seems to have been so much

dishonesty.

Now, Archbishop Bugnini, who was the chairman of the committee

which concocted this

new mass, he was asked, "Did the Protestant advisors play an

active

part?" And he put out a statement in his official magazine, Noctice.

He said they were, only once did they intervene.

Uh, they, they were purely observers, and that's all.

So I wrote to one of them, and he said, "Oh, no, we played a very active part, and

we were given all the documents the same as the Catholic

observers.

Every morning, there was a discussion, a great free-for-all, in which we put

forward our opinions."

And that, and that sort of thing has happened again

and again.

Well, let, let me ask you this then, Father.

Uh, do, do you find that there have been significant

strides in the direction of a desirable

ecumenism since Vatican II?

Oh, surely. I think so. And, uh, I think you could take, look at things two

different ways. You can say, uh, the new mass, uh, obviously is

bad because Protestants find it acceptable.

Mm-hmm.

And you could say that's a bad thing.

Or you can say, uh, is it a bad thing now that, that, uh,

Catholics

are much more Biblically oriented?

Is it a bad thing now that the treasures of the scriptures

are open more richly to

Catholics? Is it a bad thing now that Catholics at a wedding ceremony,

almost all Catholics who are, are married today would be reading 28

scriptural passages before they prepare, uh, their marriage, their own marriage

vows? Would that be a bad thing because

Protestants were Biblical people,

and now that we have, uh, discovered that we were not enough

Biblical people as Catholics, is that a bad thing? No. There's not...

Everything Protestant isn't bad.

And I think to say the new mass is bad because Protestants like the new

mass is

a, uh, I don't think is a logical kind of step.

Mm-hmm.

So that, I think the Church is saying, um,

that there's kind of a coming together, that we had the sacrifice, and that

sacrifice element is still there.

But we had minimized the, the we, the community concept of the

mass.

Mm-hmm.

And the Church is trying to bring that.

Well, but presume-

Okay

... presumably, the Protestants would prefer Catholicism

if we did away-