Discussion on Pain and Organ Donation Ethics

So

focus on pain. Now here's what happens.

That, uh, just because a person can't

demonstrate pain doesn't mean they don't have pain.

You know, a very good example of that is they, they give

paralyzing agents, uh, uh, when they take the

organs so that they don't move and they don't squirm.

Oh, that's so horrible.

And, and even if they don't move and don't squirm, when they cut on them,

their heart rate goes up and their blood pressure goes up.

Mm-hmm.

And which is the response to pain. And, but they

can't demonstrate that they have pain.

Because they're paralyzed. They've medically paralyzed them.

They're paralyzed, yeah.

So they can't respond by-

That's right. And-

Oh, that's horrible. Horrible, horrible.

And it gets really bad if you pay attention to it.

So in any event, they in-ven- invented brain

death to, mainly to get organs,

but then also so they don't waste money on treating

people who aren't ever going to get a job, who,

who are just going to live and, and not die.

And so, you see, what brain death is, it's

primarily a way to get organs.

No, it's no different than what they did in

Germany.

It's exactly what they did in Germany.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. But they-

It's exactly what they did in Germany