Debate on Vinicius, hostile crowds and freedom to celebrate
1 min Machine translated About Spain Sports
He doesn't have the freedom to dance, but Cristiano Ronaldo did, taking Alfredo's example, to celebrate by going "shh," looking at the stands.
But Vinicius doesn't have the freedom to dance.
So, the focus changes depending on the player.
And that's where we talk about the persecution a player suffers for— That's not true.
For me, Mourinho's message is completely right.
I think what he refers to as bullying, in quotes here, refers to the sporting aspect. He faces, every matchday he plays away from the Bernabéu, even in stadiums he has never set foot in in his life, a hostile atmosphere.
Why does Vinicius have to put up with it?
How long does Vinicius have to put up with it?
Is it normal that he walks onto a pitch and the whole stadium calls him "beach ball" and they laugh at you, and a player comes and kicks you to provoke you, and that even your coach tells you you can't celebrate goals to avoid provoking the opponent?
I mean, even the best thing in football, which is scoring, you have to follow your coach's orders that you can't let off steam and celebrate.
He doesn't have the freedom to dance, but Cristiano Ronaldo did, taking Alfredo's example, to celebrate by going "shh," looking at the stands and being defiant towards the crowd. But Vinicius doesn't have the freedom to dance.
So, the focus changes depending on the player.
And that's where we talk about the persecution a player suffers for— That's not true.
Because football is largely to blame for his behavior.
That's not true. But how far does it go, where do we draw the line on what's allows.
I've never seen at the stadium gates any, uh, chants like the ones made against Vinicius. Never.
Nor has an effigy in Cristiano's shirt been hung, as was done with Vinicius.
I mean, I think setting a limit
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Original transcript (Spanish)
No tiene libertad para bailar, pero sí tenía Cristiano Ronaldo, agarrándome el ejemplo de Alfredo, a celebrarlo haciendo shing, mirando a la grada.
Pero Vinicius no tiene libertad para bailar.
Entonces, el foco cambia en función del jugador.
Y ahí es donde hablamos de la persecución que sufre un jugador por- No es verdad.
Para mí, el mensaje de Mourinho lleva toda la razón.
Creo que lo que se refiere a bullying, aquí poner entre comillas, se refiere a lo deportivo, se enfrenta a cada jornada que juega fuera del Bernabéu, hasta en estadios que no ha pisado en su vida, un clima hostil.
¿Por qué lo tiene que aguantar Vinicius?
¿Hasta cuándo lo tiene que aguantar Vinicius?
¿Es normal que salga a un estadio y que todo el estadio te diga balón de playa y se rían de ti y un jugador te venga y te dé una patada para provocarte y que hasta tu entrenador te diga que no puedes celebrar los goles por no provocar al rival?
O sea, hasta lo más bonito del fútbol, que es marcar, tienes que andar con la consigna de tu entrenador de que no puedes desfogarte y celebrarlo.
No tiene libertad para bailar, pero sí tenía Cristiano Ronaldo, agarrándome el ejemplo de Alfredo, a celebrarlo haciendo shing, mirando la grada y siendo desafiante con la grada. Pero Vinicius no tiene libertad para bailar.
Entonces, el foco cambia en función del jugador.
Y ahí es donde hablamos de la persecución que sufre un jugador por- No es verdad.
Porque tiene mucha culpa el fútbol por su comportamiento.
No es verdad. Pero que hasta dónde está, dónde marcamos el límite que se le permite.
Nunca he visto en la puerta del estadio hacer ningunos, eh, cánticos como se hicieron contra Vinicius. Nunca.
Ni se ha colgado un muñeco con la camiseta de Cristiano, como se hizo con Vinicius.
O sea, yo creo que marcar un límite
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