Discussion on Witchcraft and Migration

So, what will you do in Europe?

How are you going to get money?

In Europe? How is it going to work?

Right now, I don't know.

When I go to Madrid, I will know.

And what do you think? All the people here,

are they going to go to France?

Some people are going to France,

Germany, Italy.

Oh, different countries? Yes, different countries.

Are most people here Muslim?

Yes, all are Muslim.

All. Some people leave the camp and drink and do drugs?

Yes. Yeah?

Always, but when you drink, you will not go inside.

You will sleep outside. They check you when you go in? Yes.

If you have knife or lancet, you will not go inside.

But some people leave and they come back with a weapon.

They come back with a knife? No, but you cannot go inside.

But they try to come back with a knife? Yes.

In this camp,

so what do people do all day?

No working? No, no working.

Only eat and sleep.

Only eat and sleep?

Eat and sleep. Nothing else? Nothing else.

Somebody told me that on the boat, they tie them up.

No, you know, some people in the boat at night, they used to cry.

Used to cry, then some people say,

he or she is witch.

Do you know witch? Black. Yeah, yeah. Black

magic. A witch? Yes.

In the boat,

you have to have, some people have black magic.

That's why. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on.

So sometimes on the boat, there's witches on the boat?

Yes.

Seriously? Yes. Some people used to explain, they see they are both witches.

That's why.

A witch? A witch.

So what happens to the witch?

Sometimes the witch, they used to tie them.

Sometimes they used to catch them and throw them in the sea.

They throw them in the sea? Oh, in the sea.

You know, some people have big head.

They used to see at night.

But in the afternoon, they don't use to see. That's why.

Oh, so somebody can see at night? Yes.

So they're a witch? Yes.

And then you tie them up and throw them off the ship?

That's right, yeah. You kill them? Kill them.

What country are you from? I'm from Senegal.

And he was saying, if you see a witch on the boat, that you guys throw the witch off the boat?

Yeah.

Yeah. Some people can say, if they see a witch inside the boat, they can throw them inside the water.

Is it normal, like, if someone sees a witch, like, you kill them?

Yes. Kill them.

Kill, like, the witch? Yes. People kill the witch?

Yes. How?

How do they kill the witch? Just tie them up.

You must tie them.

Just do this. He will not drink. He will not get... Starved to death.

Yes.

So if you find a witch, you tie them up?

And some people, when they see her, you can tie them up.

Yeah. And then they just starve to death?

Ah. Some people can kill them.

Some people can kill them? Yeah, some people can kill them.

If you die, if you die, if I see you, I will kill you.

If you see, you're going to kill them? Yes, I will kill them.