Discussion on God's Love and Wrath

Either Christ is on the cross, and if you have seen me, you have seen the

Father, and that's a, a display of God's love.

Or we think like Protestants, where God's taking his wrath out upon the

Son.

Like, that, that would be almost, like, two different gods

y- like playing at wa- you know, God's taking h-

the Father's taking his wrath out

on the Son. Or no, like, if you wanna understand what God's love

actually

looks like, it's like he lays himself down for you,

you know?

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

So I, I don't, I never bought the...

Which I know if you go into traditional writings, they'll talk about God's wrath

against sinners, but-

Yeah, and it kind of runs through Thomism, which is basically double

predestinarian, but it just says, "Oh, well, God's antecedent

and consequent will,"

and all this technical bullshit. And it's like, shut up.

Yeah, it co-

Like, it doesn't make any sense

... I think it comes down to, like, who is g- who is Christ saving us from?

Is it, he's not saving us from the Father's

wrath.

He's, like, ransoming us from the Devil.

And it was something that Father Joe said

that really caught me.

He actually said it on a podcast, and I was just sitting in in his studio.

And he said- ... "A God who loved you so much that he

was willing to endure this

for you is not looking for a reason to condemn you.

He's looking for any reason he can find-"

Yeah

... "to save you."

Yeah, I, I agree.

But that is not what traditionalism-