Debate on Islam and Liberalism

I would argue that liberals have failed us and the crucial point of confusion

Thank God you're here.

Are you the person who understands the officially codified doctrine of Islam?

I'm actually well educated on this topic. I'm asking you.

You're saying that Islamophobia is not a real thing.

That if you're critical of something...

Well it's not a real thing when we do it.

I'm not denying that certain people are bigoted against Muslims as people.

And that's a problem.

Why are you so hostile about this? Because it's gross. It's racist.

But it's so not. It's like saying you're a shifty Jew.

You're not listening to what we are saying.

You guys are saying if you want to be liberals, believe in liberal principles like freedom of speech.

Like we are endowed by our forefathers with an inalienable life.

All men are created equal.

Ben, we have to be able to criticize bad ideas.

Of course we do. No liberal doesn't want to criticize bad ideas.

But Islam at this moment is the mother load of bad ideas. Jesus

Christ. Or how about the more than a billion people who aren't fanatical,

who don't punch women, who just want to go to the store

and buy some sandwiches 25 times a day and don't do any of the things that you're saying all Muslims do.

Wait, wait, wait.

I'm not saying all Muslims do.

You take a few bad things and you're painting the whole religion with that picture.

What is your solution? What is your act?

To just condemn Islam? No, no, no.

The solution is very much what Nick is saying.

We've killed more Muslims than they've killed us by an awful lot.

We've invaded more Muslims than they've killed us by an awful lot.

yet somehow we're exempted from these things because they're not really a reflection of what we believe in.

We did it by accident. That's why we invaded Iraq and put 4 million people in jail.

We're not convincing anybody. It's not that I'm specifically telling you that I disagree with what you think.

You don't actually understand my argument.

I don't understand it. You don't understand my argument.

Your argument is like, you know, black people.

No, that is not my argument.

ISIS couldn't fill a double A ballpark in Charleston, West Virginia and you're making a career out of it.

It's not just ISIS. It's all jihadists. It's a phenomenon of global jihad.

I think that's the opposite of what we're doing.

There is those things. There's ISIS. There's global jihadists.

The question is the degree to which you're willing to say because I've witnessed this behavior,

which we all object to on the part of these people,

I'm willing to flatly condemn those of you I don't know and have never met.