Debate on Immigration and Infrastructure

After a certain culture-

No, no, no, no

... you do that

Now, this is the problem-

That's what it is

... immigration is-

That's what it is

No, no, immigration, if I may respond, is purely about numbers, right?

When you have millions of people-

But then what type of immigration are you talking about?

Hold on, hold on, let me just respond.

When you have millions of people come to the country under the conservatives in a

relatively short space of time, and you're not building enough homes,

and you're

not building the infrastructure to go alongside it, the quality of life of

everybody current in the country drops.

Because of course they're gonna wanna send their kids to school, of course they're

gonna wanna use hospitals.

Of course.

And unless-

But that is not because of immigration.

That's always been a problem for the last few years

So you don't think millions more people coming to the UK-

No, that's always been the problem where

whichever government has been here for the

last decades has not-

But you don't think-

... built in infrastructure, not built with investment-

Yeah

... not actually making-

But you don't think millions of people-

Or even build those homes-

... coming to the UK-

... that are also very few right now

... has an impact on current infrastructure?

You don't think those millions of people that come to here has an impact on

infrastructure? You think that has no impact at all?

Millions are not coming over. Millions have been here.

Of course they have.

They have, but at the same time-

Have you not seen the net migration figures over the last 10 years?

They, there are concentrations in different

areas, okay?

You can't just generalize this. There are concentrations in different areas.

So it's okay for some areas to be penalized and others not to be?

No, there's no such thing as anyone being

penalized.

The fact that we have all these protesters-

But it's common sense

... is because of Reform, you know, stoking the fire-

No

... and fueling things.

It's numbers.

What has got to do with it? It's got nothing-

It's got nothing to do with race or color.

No, it is... Of course it is.

No, no, what it has to do with-

Do you not watch what's going on in social media?

That's fair.

No, no, no, it's got nothing to do with...

All it has to do with-

Oh, my God, you probably the only Reform-

If you... Hold on

... sort of councilor who thinks like that.

No, no, no.

But then you're pretending right now.

If you've got a house and you can afford to throu-

feed three children, you

wouldn't take nine children off the street, 'cause you couldn't do it.

You're talking sense, but what your leaders

and the rest of them do are not doing

that. And what's happening in the country right

now with all these protesters

against immigrants, and also causing so much more to the

economy-

I just-

... by, you know, g- going against the police,

causing disruptions,

doing all of that-

I just find it disappointing-

... when they should be not calling out-

... that you can't meet me halfway by at least

admitting that millions of people

coming to the UK has an impact on current UK infrastructure.

No, because I don't believe all those

immigrants-

And the... Hold on

... are there not-

And the fact, the fact you can't-

Contributing

... the fact that you can't... Hold on

Because you are talking about, what, boats?

Or you're talking about people that are coming-

No, no, boats

... and are actually working.

Oh.

Because it's not millions that are coming by boat, by the way, okay?

No, it's not.

It's gone down.

No, no, but hold on. But we're talking about the millions

that have come to this

country, and I think the fact-

And they are part of the contribution

... hold on. The fact that the Green Party

is unable to draw the dots to think that

millions of people don't somehow need houses or hospital appointments or

school places is why you struggle to connect with so many people.

No, we are doing that.

Because... Hold on.

We are always talking about these-

Because you can admit that and still want more immigration.

Mm-hmm.

'Cause your answer could be, "Okay, we'll build more infrastructure."

But the fact

you can't even realize that millions of people coming into the

country has an

impact on infrastructure-

It has an impact-

... just means you're so out of touch-

Not just on infrastructure

... with people in this country.

It has an impact on the economy. It has an impact on t-

It is-

... building jobs.

Okay.

It has an impact on many other things, but you just wanna focus on one thing like

everyone does.

It is, it is purely numbers.

It is fair to note that there has been a

precipitous increase in the population, which could be managed, but

ultimately, this country has not built a reservoir

since 1992